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“Greater Emphasis on Shared Parental Responsibility” (Australian Family 2006 Law Amendment) “in the best interest of kids” gets them killed, again.

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In this post, I am reacting to a story which will be posted separately, although excerpts are in my post, and a link at the bottom.  

 

I do not know “Jen Jewel Brown,” but the writing is compassionate and detailed, not a polemic, or a dry newspaper report.  

This type of writing  — about this international problem — engaging attention, mind, and emotions, prompted me to respond, at length.  Because of the length, the post itself is separate.  

Thank you, “Jen Jewel Brown” for the coverage of this matter, in  tone that engages the emotions, which these should, but doesn’t I feel manipulate them. This is good writing.  Thanks also to the Mom who brought this to my attention on-line.  I do compare notes with women in other countries at time, in hopes that we can do something to stem the tide of child-sacrifices on the altar of “Family.”  

My “target audience” is those “puzzled” by the failures of family law and disturbed, but perhaps not enough so, by why the experts trusted with fixing these things aren’t succeeding.  I do not speak from the “puzzled” perspective, at all.  My recommendations, and appeals are at the end of the post.  

I don’t know whether 3 whole posts should be dedicated to one incident, but there is a “to the contrary” response, blaming the family law system for the casualties (i.e., deaths) because it’s “brutal” to men.  This post has been a half day’s (volunteer, incidentally) work, and the other will have to wait, but I will post the link blaming these children’s deaths (and others) on family law’s “brutal” anti-father bias, and those damn domestic violence folk.  

(This hails from “WATODAY.com” — Breaking News from Perth and West Australia (and was published the week before “Mothers’ Day” in the USA).

Jen Jewel Brown

  • May 2, 2009

Suffer the Little Children:

 

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But first, a quiz:  did you notice, too?

Does anything seem amiss in the following description?

Try and picture it before reading further….

Dalton was left in a state of intense fear. As he drove to his mother’s with the kids, Fehring gave chase.   She rang his mobile 76 times in that 90-minute drive.

When she hit his mother on arrival, she broke her latest domestic violence order for the second time. Arrested and jailed overnight, and released at midday the next day, Fehring was in a savage mental state.

A.  Does this scenario seem believable, and consistent with other accounts you may have read in the MSM (mainstream media), or statistics you may have studied, about women’s violence towards men (being comparable).

B.  Have you ever heard a case reported where a woman chased down a man in anger, calling him nonstop for one and a half hours (as he was fleeing with his kids), breaking a court restraining order, and still being angry enough to punch his mother in the face?  Or one that fits this pattern? (picture it….)

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To “A.”  The correct answer should be “yes.”  This does not seem to fit the pattern.  And in this case, it shouldn’t —

To “B.”  My answer, which may vary with personal experience, for me, is NO.  I haven’t.  (Groups such as “Mens Rights Agency” etc. would say, it could go either way.  But this is the description I read.  Where is the description of a woman doing this?  AND — —  getting away with being released after arrest to go and do it again?)

Above, I just switched the names, genders, and parties on another (yet another) blunder of Family Law Amended in 2006 to reflect greater empahsis on shared parental responsibility.”  This blunder wasn’t just one single blunder, but a whole series of them resulting in the eventual death of two innocent.  Infants.  In their best interests, of course. He chased her, she didn’t chase him.  He punched HER mother’s nose, and not vice versa.  HE, even after this terrorizing incident, was released from jail the next morning.

She then (it seems) endured a five-hour-long flight, with her mother, from this man, only six days after one infant was born, and couldn’t handle it.  She had a breakdown and was hospitalized en rte.  I can see why her mother might have fled, too.

This is how the family courts responded to that knowledge:

On March 17, 2004, in a 14-minute hearing, the Brisbane Family Court gave interim custody of the infant Patrick and his sister Jessie to Jayson Dalton, former One Nation candidate and long-term batterer.”

Fehring’s solicitor, Ros Byrne, had less than 24 hours warning of Dalton’s bid for custody. She told the judge: “There are domestic violence issues.” That was it.

Fehring, ill, could not be there. “I have no idea why they gave him custody,” she says. “And I don’t think I’ll ever understand it. They were in no danger, they’d been with mum, she was taking care of them with my sister.

“My solicitor knew I was petrified. She told the court there were domestic violence issues and yet the children were handed over to a violent man.”

 

I don’t know what to do, just me alone, about the nonstop, nonsensical, and unnecessary murder of little kids as a logical consequences of illogical thinking dominating the family courts — not just in my home country (which is not Australia, as below), but around the world.  But I am doing some things (including reporting), and have some suggestions below of what doesn’t work, and possible different approach to take, when going about to “help,” other than picking a side to believe and joining it, or staying “neutral” or remaining “puzzled.”   

I can only assert, and I have some experiential basis to compare these two on, religion, and family law, that the family courts worldwide have become a religion to themselves, and have all the characteristics of a VERY cruel one.  

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(DIGRESSION:)

In wondering who took leave of whose senses when, (i.e., in trying to analyze this), I think we need to also take a more honest look at whether we really want nation-wide educational systems that take kids away from families in order to protect them from the ignorance, supposedly in their families.  Both of these systems are based on similar premises of helping in competent parents and rescuing children from ignorance and illiteracy.  In the U.S., the outcome of this premise, apart from an ever-increasing budget demanded, factionalism within the ranks, and this region also, education, becoming both an industry and a political endorsement or virtual “death-warrant” depending on one’s constituency — it ALSO has resulted in a literacy rate (the very thing it proposed to fix) trailing the developed world, a populace of people that, on graduating from 8th grade school (around 13/14 years old), still can’t read, but CAN get pregnant, or get someone else pregnant.  They can also get shot at, sexually abused by teachers, or locked down if a rumor of someone with a gun (or someone with a real gun) comes on or near the campus.  They are the target of pharmaceutical corporations and text book corporations, and all kinds of political factions.  Currently, in California, they are again arguing over whether a parent can “opt out” for their kids of “LGBT” training — in the same region where, in the family law, another paradigm reigns, that each child needs both parents, and supposedly mothers have an unfair advantage.  (Was that same-sex parents, or not??).  These school graduates, then class-sorted, and intelligence-tested, are coming out, and some of them making it to college (others not), and now we have family law systems teaching adults (both middle-aged adult AND young adults) “parenting.”  Well, what where they doing for the first eight years of government help?  

So I do tend to look, both as to cost and results, at both of these systems as related.  I am wondering, how have we somehow gotten politicians who can’t think straight, or a general public who can’t discern what’s going on with the politicians?  There are indeed many questions. I also note that the U.S. is already one of the highest per capital prison nations around (I heard this, anyhow, as to “developed” nations. If this is development, let’s under-develop for a while, eh?)  The effect being that prison is not exactly a deterrent to batterers because the places are crowded already!  

(END of THAT DIGRESSION, AT LEAST). . . . 

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I have spent close to two decades dealing with abuse, up front first (at home) and thereafter, trying to be female and leave it, with children. Once Internet became accessible, and I regained a bit more freedom to choose who I associated with, I have also been researching and connecting with other men and women both, while also seeing how my personal case progressed through attempting to retain a standing restraining order (i.e., renew it), and how someone coached the person I needed to restrain to dodge it into Family Court, which I can only describe as like “Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass.”  (I read this book often during my childhood).  It is as though all the people in there are on psychotropic medicines, but being a world unto themselves, are looking at you as the oddball.  

One of the most serious mistakes a family law innocent can take is to take ANY of its denizens seriously.  To take them at their words, which are many-syllabic and I say, infantile in rationale.  (That includes innocent observers, too….)

Another serious mistake is failure to realize how seriously they take themselves (meaning, each other)(not your laws, or their rules of court, or their professional code of ethics, for the most part), and their inherent authority and what tools are at their disposal to make sure you do, or else! (See recent post, where I discuss “kneeling” in august reverence here).

The SOONER you seriously divest yourself of assuming that terms used bear any relationship to common usage (outside this venue), the better chances of success you will have.   I am a literary sort of person, and invested a lot of time (after successive failures to win a point in this venue) in reading the laws and rules of court.  My opponent didn’t piddle around with this — at all — but went straight for the emotional heartbeat of whatever authority (he) was in front of, and adjusted his story to accommodate.  AND WAS RESPECTED FOR THIS!  He didn’t bother with piddling matters like consistency, truth, or even evidence.  He figured out what resonated and ad-libbed an court order violated himself into being rewarded with total custody of our daughters, no meaningful contact with their mother, and no child support obligations for him — in effect, none of the past due, and the current one promptly stopped.  This dysfunctional system rewarded criminal behavior.  Welcome to “la-la-land,” quite similar to what I had hoped to leave, many years ago, and peaceably rebuild separate lives.  (Oh well!)  

I don’t think or operate like this, in general as a teacher, a mother, or a professional.  Every profession I’ve been involved in to date has some set of principles which, if repeatedly violated, results in failure of the endeavor.  There ARE operational principles in family law too.  The thing is, understanding what they are.  

One clue is to understand as quickly as possible what Family Law Courts are NOT.  ONE “what they are not” is clearly “in the best interests of the children” or the general public, as far as I can tell.  Get comfortable with Upside Down World (as did Alice in WOnderland) or get out.  As fast as possible.  I believe the same thing applies for an abusive relationship — the LESS invested said abuser is in the relationship, the safer everyone SHOULD be.  Family Law, is being amended, however, to tip that scale backwards.

 

Not just “seeing through a glass, darkly” but literally in reverse — ‘THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS’:

 

For those who don’t know the book, here’s three references (all to URLs), the first (only) with the classic illustrations of Alice unnaturally elongated, and then squished into a small box.  The message is altered perspectives.  I read this book through repeatedly as  girl (we were not a TV family…), often in one sitting on a weekend.   My legs would fall asleep,  an odd sensation I thought interesting, and I knew that polishing off the book would do result in a numb leg.  That’s how fascinating it was, with its characters, and Alice’s dialogues with herself, and them, getting her bearings, and finally getting out of this dream (or altered state).

The difference between “Alice’s” adventures and entering the world of “family law” (in practically any country, I’m coming to believe) is that it is unbelievably different from inside than outside.  The other difference is, some people do not emerge outside triumphant as this heroine did.  Some children never “age out of the system” because someone kills them first.  Or one (or both) of their parents.  (Are the killers of the other parent half men and half women?   Look it up yourself, not from a mother’s group or a father’s group, but from a more authoritative source!)  

Others become sexual objects, property, or weapons of revenge for others, or money for third parties, although eventually they do reach age 18, forever changed.

The characters, standards, and self-referential dogma of these circles exacerbates prior situations, or maybe incites a few more, while continuing to enunciate, evaluate, proclaim, and judge situations as if the characters judging were the standard, and the intruders, the alien oddballs that needed a sharp lesson in which way is up.

So, Get a Flavor of “Alice,” for Reference (Curiouser and Curiouser).  This figure will help your understanding of the domain of family law and associated realms driven by social sciences (and the funding thereof) more, I feel, than a glossary of words, which taken out of context, might be misinterpreted to actually mean what they say:

From a New York Times blog on migraines (apparently the author of Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland) had these:

1.

“The man who gave us “Alice in Wonderland” suffered from migraine. He was also a mathematician, a clergyman, a photographer, and a wit. He was self conscious about a stammer and may have had sexual proclivities for young girls. It is impossible to know exactly what role migraine played in his creative work.”  (itself a commentary that skill in various professions is not an indicator of innocence or guilt in other areas)

2.

And another, with an excerpt, shows a few of the characters, and Alice answering back.  She tries to retain some of her former judgment, common sense, and attempts to make the others adhere to a few rules, but each time has her words twisted.  Perhaps this novel is a more accurate relation of what it’s like to deal with people who have something else on their brains, when yours is safety/solvency/justice (and all the usual things one tends to associate with justice venues).  Alice is the newcomer here to the Mad  Tea Party.  THIS is as close a description of what it’s like in these Family Law Venues as anything else.  Note:  when she emerges, no one else knew what she went through.  

and, from Salon.com, someone’s commentary on it, recalled from her childhood: 

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the “children’s tale” was in brilliant ways coded to be read by adults and was in fact an English classic, a universally acclaimed intellectual tour de force and what might be described as a psychological/anthropological dissection of Victorian England. It seems not to have occurred to me that the child-Alice of drawing rooms, servants, tea and crumpets and chess, was of a distinctly different background than my own. I must have been the ideal reader: credulous, unjudging, eager, thrilled. I knew only that I believed in Alice, absolutely.

 

(AUSTRALIAN) Family Law Act amended in 2006.   

Excerpt:

In 2006, the Family Law Act was substantially amended to reflect a greater emphasis on shared parental responsibility. One of the changes required the court to look at two primary considerations when deciding what is in the child’s best interests. The first is the desire for children to have a meaningful relationship with both parents; the second the need to protect them.

 

WHY?  The story below dates back to 2004!  (Again, two little kids were killed by a man who had violence and punishment of his wife on his mind already, had been acting it, had been demonstrating already his disregard of court orders — i.e., placing himself above the law – and had been arrested for doing so, which only made him still madder, and less in compliance.  This upside down-a-rabbit-hole and Through the Looking Glass logic (itself detached from threats of being murdered, or having one’s kids murdered, or having to live with — and AROUND — that fear, somehow) is NOT “evidence-based” or “In the child’s best interests.”

This fear of also trespassing on an idenfitied batterer’s civil rights overrode the innocent party’s ones.

 The court order making this possible happened because the mindset that prompted the 2006 amendment was already in play, obviously, that even if a man chases down his wife punches her mother, and does things that would put him in jail, and staying there longer, if done to a man, or where a previous relationship had not existed) 

Excerpt:

Child abuse expert emeritus professor Freda Briggs, of the education, arts and social sciences division of the University of South Australia, has firm views about changes needed to family law.

“The level of ignorance by judges and (Family Court) staff about child development, domestic violence and sexual abuse is inexcusable,” she says.

Judges ignore DV (domestic violence) because (a) some psychologists tell them that men who bash their wives don’t necessarily bash their children and (b) they don’t seem to know that witnessing violence is as damaging to children as being a victim of it. Education is so badly needed.”

I DISAGREE.  I THINK THIS VIEW GIVES TOO MUCH BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO JUDGES.  

IF JUDGES ARE IGNORANT OF THE OBVIOUS, THEN THIS SHOWS A LACK OF QUALIFICATION TO JUDGE.

THERE ARE REASONS THEY LISTEN TO PSYCHOLOGISTS, AND THIS _- AND NOT “EDUCATING” THEM ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS IN ORDER.  

IGNORANCE IS A CHOICE.  I”M A SURVIVOR OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SEVERE.  I DI NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES TO INFORM MYSELF ABOUT IT WHILE IN THE SITUATION.  WHEN I GOT OUT, AND THEN WAS PUSHED INTO FAMILY COURT, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS START GETTING INFORMED.  IF I COULD DO THIS, ON A DIMINISHING BUDGET AND AS A SINGLE MOTHER, AND PERSIST IN DOING SO (FOR YEARS) THAN EVEN A JUDGE WITH A VERY BUSY SCHEDULE COULD CHOOSE TO LISTEN TO MORE THAN ONE VIEWPOINT.  SO COULD WHOEVER AMENDED THE FAMILY LAW OF 2006 TO PRODUCE HIGHER RISK OF STORIES LIKE THIS.  

There are number of wise courses of action (hard choices, all of them) which will help those enacting and judging poorly in situations that result in family deaths (unnecessarily) to understand the FIRST priority is to preserve physical life of individuals (that’s what criminal laws, in part, are for), and SECOND, if then, to MAKE DAD HAPPIER BY MORE TIME WITH THE CHILDREN — BUT ONLY IF HE CAN BEHAVE LIKE IN AN ADULT FIRST.  

Another option, which was proposed over a decade ago by a writer on NOMAS (National Organization of Men Against Sexism — which, FYI, this family law act as amended seems to be, as it was addressed primarily to giver fathers (not mothers) more contact with their kids after divorce).  One might be a rigid and STRICT sorting system to discourage violence against women, which when kids are present, is a horrible role model:  (A)  Case Flow.  You commit violence, you lose access to your kids — PERMANENTLY.  This is called “deterrent.”  

Then there would be nothing much to discuss in family law except distribution of any property.  And I personally don’t care if anyone who assaults an intimate partner even TWICE, let alone in such awful manners, is financially penalized either.  Why shouldn’t he be?  The devil didn’t make him do it.  His unemployment didn’t make him do it.  SHE didn’t make him do it.  Abuse, like ignorance, is a choice.  It’s a two year old in a grown up body trying to make the world fit his (or her) own definition of how the world should be, and making sure he is the center of attention (via tantrum, throwing things, etc.), until the world IS changed to accommodate.

Maybe it’s time, and maybe there is a way (in our respective countries) we can get the conversation away from sick social science theories (which many participants, FYI, may not agree with) AND bribery (job -referrals, cronyism, or whatever it took to amend Australia’s Family Law in 2006 to better reflect what’s happening in America, which, FYI, we cannot here keep up with the incidents that are quite similar to the one below, where “Dalton” kills his own offspring because he’s mad.  Or can’t get his own way, even AFTER he gets custody.  “It’s about control, dude.”

The alternative is to penalize the rest of society, and especially the target.  The alternative is NOT to, as we do in the US, “promote healthy marriage” and then leave doing so up to characters that think like this!  (See “Mad Hatter Tea Party.”).  The alternative is a nonstop, constant drain of time, and transfer of wealth — from the general public, and also from one parent to another, or from both parents to attorneys (and psychologists, etc.).  The alternative is a total drain on public funds that are needed for more noble causes.

But speaking in public and anywhere else as though judges really are uninformed on the fact that domestic violence occurs, and that disturbed parents sometimes kill their wives, themselves, bystanders, relatives, and responding police officers in the context of a woman — that is called “enabling” talk.  It makes excuses.  Take my word, or ask someone else.  Good grief, get real!  Like Alice in Wonderland, who found herself there, and conversed with the various characters, and emerged with her self-respect intact back into the real world, it is necessary after frequenting such discussions, to get back to reality.  This is NOT about justice!

(I know of only ONE  single high-profile case reported in my area where the killer was a woman except ONE, in the many years I have been watching and noticing this, since I left my own situation.  That case has some very unique circumstances to both the marriage, and the custody hearings, and I also know the judge involved).  She tried to defend herself, and went to jail.  It sold a lot of newspapers. I have also seen the countenance, attitudes, and behaviors of family court personnel in the context of some extremely high-profile, headline making murders, one of them a triple murder, in the context of a woman leaving a batterer.  We had a man who killed his wife on a weekend exchange, with kids present, buried her body, and was eventually convicted without the body!, but plea-bargained himself down by promising to show the police the body.  Not until he was actually convicted did he change his “I didn’t do it!” story for a minute.)

We had another one where a man shot the cousin (in the face) because he couldn’t find the wife, who he was after.  In the process, he also tore up a business front and threatened his (brave) adult daughter, who tried to get the gun from him.  We had a woman who had been cautious and attempting to keep a low profile, but she went to church on a weekday morning, apparently before work.  Her ex ambushed her, gunned her down in front of witnesses.  There IS no safe place, it seems, when a mad “ex” is intent on getting even, and obeying laws is the LAST thing at certain times on the brain.  I referred to that last case in my court hearing (same city), loud, and clearly.  My comment was deleted from (never made) the court transcript.  In this hearing (if I have which one right), I had PTSD triggered in recounting the last time I had to interact with my ex, which itself had so frightened me, I swore internally that I would never, the rest of my life, put myself in a position where I had to see this man in person, I could not handle it.  I only had to see him a few more times (THAT year), and stalking has been an issue, and caused me to reframe my livelihood and daily lifestyle ever since, negatively so.  It has also put a severe damper on my plans to assert any future legal rights, as safety is now a definite issue.  

How’d you like to make those choices?  Leave your kids with a known batterer who won’t obey court orders (any of them, basically) and has not been held accountable by any authority.  And do this after many years in court hearings, and after many years in domestic violence.  

My case was nowhere near as awful as this woman Fehring, who in 2004 lost her kids after trying to save them (but family law orders curtailed her ability to do so), and I’m struggling.  She is speaking out, and so are many others, in various countries.    We are definitely struggling on many fronts, and we don’t want domestic violence to go down another generation!

We also (I deal with enough mothers to say I speak for at least many of them) cannot afford the luxury of believing these things persist because of lack of judicial EDUCATION.  It’s more a lack of judicial BACKBONE and ETHICS.  And it’s not only the judges (although they as the ones signing orders, command the most obivous authority).  We hope that people who are not traumatized themselves, or still have some source of income to sustain themselves, and whose children are NOT at risk for speaking out, to FIRST divest themselves of a few myths:

The judicial and legal and custody evaluator (etc.) circles are indeed capable of being educated, and they ARE.  If you want to know “by whom” (rather than continue to wonder, after the next incident, “why can’t we get it through?” to these circles), see other pages on my cite, or a few other links I’ve recommended.  Study the organizations, grants, funding, and legal structure in YOUR system.  Study also who is pre-empting (it happens, trust me) organizations that once existed to help battered women, or protect them, or advocate, and see who is funding them.  For a dialogue on this, see “justicewomen.org.”  It’s the best explanation I’ve run across.  See also California NOW (CANOW.org) web page on the family court system — it has a history of organizations that is a clue.  See National Alliance for Family Court Justice, which connects the dots better than most places I’ve seen (there is a lot of text to process, but DO SO!).  

Dedicate a time to becoming an expert yourself.  Then learn to distinguish between experts.

And follow the money trail.  Money talks.

WHo was this Dalton man, that murdered kids?  It appears he had a high profile.  Maybe we should, as a public, restrict our adulation to people whose personal lives measure up.  If people hold a public profile, then their personal lives count.  Why shouldn’t they?  These are means by which someone who has been voted into an office or appointed to one, can be judged.  

You cannot have justice when the doors are closed.  It is not going to happen.

You cannot have justice when you don’t know who’s funding and appointing the judges.

it is very difficult in our current lifestyles (I speak for my acquaintance with the US, and I know a good deal of it, particularly as an educator and arts professional) to find time to study and know what our government is doing.  I found (personally) the educational system here to be the greatest timesoaker for my own children and myself, and I also witnessed this same system in poor and in rich neighborhoods.  My perception of the justice in the richer community is that it was far harder on women.  The general level of violent crime appears to be kept down more by the affluence, but this does not reflect, that I can tell, a drop in the domestic violence crime, or even femicides.  This is a different type of crime than street crime.  

Even the Bible has an entire Book called “Judges” and directly ties the welfare of the nation to the ethics (in the context, of Israel’s religion, which for them was a theocracy).  When the judges screwedup, the whole nation suffered.  It’s no different today..

I do not know of any other way than enough of the public — or well-positioned public — coming out of what I call the collective “trance” that “government” means “good guys” and that our job in life is to just go about our business and hope that they are going about theirs properly.  My faith says we are to pray for these people, but with prayer comes a duty to watchfulness.  This will help you become a more fully alert — and helpful to your neighbors, next time they go “through it” — citizen.  It is, really, more important than how successful you are in your profession, I’d say.  How successful is it necessary to be to have “made” it?

We also need to listen to older generations talk about the transitions they have been through, and resist institutions that separate old from child-raising from young, except in highly mediated situations.

Well, this has become a post, so the story I am blogging about will be in the next one. . . . 

Please wake up, and help join men and women who are studying these topics. LISTEN to the stories of mothers who have lost their kids to violence, or to no-contact or supervised orders only with as much interest as you LISTEN to the stories and blogs of men complaining about the shoe being on their foot.  LISTEN also (I posted yesterday) the parallel stories about the “state” removing children from competent parents.   The social “science” paradigm is a dangerously presumptive one.  It applies general principles, often arrived at without proper input from the people they affect, does so whimsically and unevenly.  

The instrument itself is too blunt and too powerful.  We need more stories like Alice In Wonderland, and more symbolic reference points to tell the truth about the family courts, and cut through the “therapeutic jurisprudence” to recognize where jurisprudence is itself iatrogenic.

We need to start looking back and talking back.  It’s a commitment, for sure, but look at what’s at stake.

It will require losing some of one’s time, and probably personal peace, unless you are carrying it on the inside.

I hope some of this post sank in, as I wrote it in one sitting and entirely in response to a single, tragic, story (among many) that family law apparatus in Australia chose to ignore.  Someone has to address the conflict of interest between criminal and civil and family law in your country.

If you want to know where a lot of this came from, it is, I believe, from an organization in the US, which has been proselytizing like Jehovah’s Witness, only knocking on different doors.  They have money, they have (self-referential, but still it has an impact) prestige, they have technical superiority to MOST women’s websites, or DV websites I’ve seen.  You cannot judge the truth or falsehood of a viewpoint by how glitzy its website is.  The one I most respect, currently, has the least “glitz,” but I have spoken personally with the owner and checked out the facts.  This blog is not glitzy, but show me where else on the web someone is posting the links to the funding, AND the organizations behind the funding, AND some of the key Presidential (US) letters driving this.  And I’m not done yet.

Look at the “AFCC”  Association of Family and Conciliation Courts, a group that was run initially out of the Los Angeles County Courthouse address, but illegally so, and not incorporated as an entity (according to my single reading of this) for many, many years, until they were caught, and finally did.  This means that they cheated the American taxpayers by failing to pay taxes.  Money laundering appears to have been involved.  Initially custody evaluators got free tuition (to seminars) and attorneys did not.  Judges taught some of them.   This group has CONSISTENTLY ignored that “PAS” is junk science, and ignored the published criminal prosecutors reading of it, too.  If they had been operating in the case of Fehring v. Dalton, they would have recommended ordered Ms. Fehring into a parenting plan to adjust her unreasonable fear of her exhusband, and if she didn’t fork over her kids for visitation, they woudl have jailed HER, not him.  They are highly influential.  Their PAS man was a known pedophile who eventually committed suicide.  We are STILL in our courtrooms having male judges caught with their pants down or their hands up their secretary’s blouse, making her life hell, or judges taking kickbacks to send innocent juveniles away (I just recited only:  NJ, TX, PA examples.  The NJ judge had a porno collection that I couldn’t even stand to read about, when I heard.  He flew to Russia to have sex with a boy, and as I recall, had it filmed).  Women judges are/can be just as dishonest, cruel, and callous in their decisions.  I have sat under some of them.  It’s not JUST about gender, it’s about the system of family law, and the class, and information, and associations, gap between this system and the general public.

Then go read their history.

Then go look at their pamphlets and some of the personnel.  (I did).  This group is international in scope.  It appears that different countries have similar type groups with other names.  

Other issues include retaliation by groups and associations upon ethical and honest judges and professionals.  This retaliation can be as severe as it is upon a parent leaving abuse, or a parent reporting child abuse.  

MOST OF US do not want to think that people who THINK like this could be running not only our local, but also some of our national policies.  However, the fact is, that any position of power is going to attract people with noble purpose, and corrupt people.  It is also going to attract people who THINK their purpose is noble, but will commit crime, do secret deals, and ride roughshod over anyone who gets in their way.  This is what I would call a “godless” perspective — if you can get away with something, so much the better.  It also views certain classes of people as inferior BECAUSE of their class.  (This attitude is also common religious circles too, obviously).  

THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, IF THIS IS NOT YOU, THEN WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBLITY?  ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP A FEW ILLUSIONS (AND THEREBY HELP) or ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVER, A PERSON BY HIS (OR HER) GENDER OR MARITAL STATUS, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT’S OK FOR A DOUBLE-STANDARD OF JUSTICE TO BE THE RULE, NOT THE EXCEPTION.

ARE YOU WILLING TO TRY TO DEFANG THE “TOTALITARIAN” ELEMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY BEFORE IT TAKES YOUR CHILDREN (AND MEANS TO;  EAT, SHELTER, AND DEFEND YOURSELF) UNDER THE PREMISE THAT “You People” cannot protect yourselves from yourselves?  

Any group that claims it is going to eradicate violence, crime, murder, kidnappings, theft, and similar awful behaviors, from the face of the planet is narcissistic.  This ain’t likely to happen.  I would not follow anyone piping that tune.  Newflash:  Obama ain’t going to.

I would similar not follow any crew that promises it’s going to raise the national total educational level to competitive (on my dollar) until it’s already shown some significant successes.  SHOWN them, not just proclaimed them to exist where they don’t, and out of context.

I have some perspective to say this:   I was a top performer at a top suburban public high school, according to its standards, and KNOW that I was bored in school.  I have worked in a variety of schools and attended school in another country.  I have also (unfortunately) hung around a lot of educators in my time (not my first choice of associates, I’d rather hang out with someone passionate about WHAT they teach rather than HOW (everyone else) should be teaching).   I then raised my own daughters in tough c ircumstances to a level of all-round excellence, and watched an educator who had never been a parent come after me, having mentally deleted both my own personal history (which was known to include violence and professional-level teaching ability, and performance) at the time.  There was no way a rational person could have considered me under-educated or incompetent to raise my own kids.  Only an Alice in Wondcrland character, who had his brain filled of theory and belief such that there was no room for input (from the eyes, ears, and neighborhood schools, etc.) would have come to this conclusion.  

I was faced with an anomaly and had to make up my mind how to view this.  In understanding a few more facts (which I didn’t have at the time) and continuing to listen to the changes of tone, language (and a fast “flip”) in behavior from this person, and put this into the larger contextt, I came to the conclusion that ONE thing that allowed such a person to come up with such an idea was the educational theories he’d (just recently) been exposed to, without sufficient humbling experience to challenge them — such as becoming a parent, or dealing with enough of them personally, to get some insight). 

Which comes to another thing to be studied in family law:  Australia’s system has a history.  If you’re local, keep posting it!  Talk it up.  Send a clear message that it is being looked at and expected to hold to a standard.  It is best, I think, to get this information OUT before there are gag orders on it.  

There are organizations and associations that screen, teach and certify people to practice in MOST professions.  These need to be looked at.  I have.  I have seen what it takes tobecome a “family law specialist” in my state, and this explains to me where the “gap” is, and why, and why when I go into court again, should this be required, I will not, I am sure tolerate any family law attorney to represent me.  Why?  They are not self-aware enough of personal biases.  I am not sure whether I would even want such input in preparing information, because to date, the few attorneys I’ve been in front of (or hired) have all encouraged me to downplay and sign away, compromise, and bargain things that were non-negotiable in my case. This is how we get sold down the river at times — lack of information.

Even then, I’d say, “well, you can experiment on someone else’s children, thank you — and pay for it yourself, or they can pay.”  These are simply Pied Pipers.  Don’t dance to that tune.  The fairy tale (if you know it) exists for a reason, and we’ve come to an age when I think those old fairy tales are a lot more reliable indicators of truth than, say:

“Evidence of Adapation of Parenting Programs to Father Engagement” (or whatever the forgettable phrase was on THAT grant opportunity)

This post has not been proofread (and probably will not), you just got a piece of my mind and heart.  I appeal to people who say they are concerned and want to help, to do so in an intelligent, and experience-informed manner.  

If a fire is burning that is destroying homes, building, and costing lives, talk to some firefighters!  Find out what’s feeding it, and how to smother the principle needs of any fire.

Fuel, Oxygen, Heat (as the type of fire may be or may not, or a “chemical” burn).  

And figure out, if you have a faith in a supernatural being, your relationship with Him, Her, It, or Them.  

Buckle down and get ready for the ride.  You will need a seat belt for sure.

The subject matter that prompted this post is in the next one, although this is the link:

Suffer the Little Children– to reach Adulthood!

“On March 17, 2004, in a 14-minute hearing, the Brisbane Family Court gave interim custody of the infant Patrick and his sister Jessie to Jayson Dalton, former One Nation candidate and long-term batterer.”

My next post will post this.

 

 

 

 

 

Alanna

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Though this is a well-known case, the real problem is that it is NOT so atypical.  

Below Alanna’s own story is a hyperlinked glossary to the players — in her case. The glossary links are active on the original site.

 

These are powerful people, who know how to pull strings.  This brave and independent young woman had to flee to Los Angeles (Southern Cal.) to protect herself from her well-connected father in Northern California.  It is approaching 10 YEARS since the publication of this story.  The stories haven’t changed much in severity, destruction, wasted lives, transfers of wealth, cronyism, and injustices imposed upon minors, and typically ONE of their parents more than the other.  

In my area, last year as I recall, another teen (boy) ran away from a foster care situation, was captured by some other adults, imprisoned, shackled, beaten, starved and tortured until he finally showed up, in boxer shorts and as I recall smudged with blood and feces, and curled up into a fetal position at a local gym, behind the counter.  And that’s one that ESCAPED. . . . .  

And then our government wants to spend money on WHAT??, while vital services, like public transit, housing, etc., tighten their belts????? 

Let’s review basic math.  Two negatives = a positive.  Nix the Kickbacks, and you have moved closer to solvency.

Direct dollars instead at investigating some of the rampant fraud in high circles that results in destruction in lower (less politically connected) ones?  As another site (habeascorpus.freeservers.com) points out, the courts are primed for criminally-minded attorneys; where no ethical person would tread, there is always someone who will, instead.

Minimize all professional fields that have authority over others, ESPECIALLY over minors — they attract predators, perverts, and borderline personalities.  You can’t get justice around that.  

Abusing, raping, or stealing minors, while a parent or relative must watch helplessly is a technique used in war.

When will this stop?  

What treats and middle-class privileges are you willing to give up to do something about this?  A few fewer visits to the spa, maybe?  Your illusions about all the experts having it handled?  I personally think parents that actually have to raise their own kids, and teach them, too, might be less detached, and less likely to treat them as property, let alone traffick in them.   Suppose the government was deprived of ALL opportunities to blame the parents, and the parents were deprived of ALL opportunities to blame the government — which would mean, getting off the teat for basic services — maybe then we could all grow up and stay that way.

Meanwhile,

Here’s Alanna’s story, in her own words.

 

 

As posted on:  http://www.familylawcourts.com/countymarintvc.html

From the San Francisco Daily Journal

Youth in Court Need Attorneys Who Represent Their Interests Fairly, Strongly

Monday, July 17, 2000

By Alanna Krause

Hundreds of years of legal history have lead the United States to implement a system that ensures that every party in a legal proceeding gets a voice. We rest assured that, unlike in other nations, we can not be incarcerated without our day in court, lawyer by our side. What a country we live in: so civilized, so well thought out. God bless America.

But there is a forgotten minority that is not afforded these basic rights. They are not criminals or foreign aliens. In contrast, they are a group we all hold dear – one innocent and well meaning, with no hidden agendas or twisted motives – children.

Instead of actually being represented, children get their “best interests” represented by adults. We children have no choice and no recourse when those adults have their own agendas.

A case in point? Mine.

My parents separated when I was 5-years-old, sparking a custody battle that lasted nine years. I never doubted that I wanted to be with my mother. My father Marshall Krause, is an abuser, and living with him was a mental and physical hell and definitely not in my best interests. Yet, In Marin Family Court, that seemed to be irrelevant. My family court experience consisted of lawyers, judges, evaluators and social workers who turned their backs on their consciences and their professional oaths. They’re worked contrary to not only my best interests, but to my health and safety.

My father, a wealthy and well-connected lawyer, used his influence and money to manipulate the system. And he didn’t work alone. The court-appointed evaluator, Edward Oklan, M.D., fell under his spell and ignored my reports of my father’s abuse of drugs and of me. The lawyer appointed to represent my “best interests,” Sandra Acevedo, spent her allotted time with me parroting my father’s words, attempting to convince me that I really wanted to live with him. She ignored my reports of abuse. And the therapist my father made me see, Lana Clark, LCSW, was far from objective – she was sleeping with him.

The judge, Sylvia Shapiro-Pritchard, an admitted long-time friend of my father’s, rubber stamped any order my father requested. I wrote the judge letters, called her office and did everything I could to make myself heard. She ignored my pleas. I had no rights. I couldn’t replace my lawyer with one who would speak for me nor could I speak for myself in court. I couldn’t cross examine the court evaluators or therapists and their claims were thus untouchable. I felt like I was witnessing the proceedings from the wrong side of soundproof glass.

My mother tried her best, but she was a David facing Goliath – except in my story, she didn’t even have a sling. After years of valiant struggle gaining nothing but legal fees, she had to let go and put her life back together in the hopes that someday I could get out on my own.

While living with my father, I did what I could to survive. I made nine reports to Child Protective Services and several calls to the police over the years, to no avail. They would always tell me that unless I had witnesses or bruises, they couldn’t substantiate my claims of abuse. Finally, one day my father threw me into a stone wall at school and a teacher called Child Protective Services.

He’s never said as much, but my father panicked. He had worked so hard to build a delicate set of lies and twisted truths to present himself as the well-meaning parent whose “unstable” ex-wife had given his troubled daughter “alienating parent syndrome,” resulting in abuse “delusions.” The truth was his worst fear.

Acting quickly, he had my therapist, his lover, suddenly decide I was dangerously troubled and needed to be locked up. So I, an 11-year-old straight-A student who had never tried sex, drugs or alcohol, nor ever been in a fight, found myself in an out-of-state lock down facility with 17-year-old drug-dealing gang-banging street kids. I was beaten up, taunted and was blocked from communicating with the outside world. I was forced into therapy where they tried to brainwash me into believing my mother was insane, that my father’s drug use didn’t exist and that the abuse my father inflicted on me was all in my head.

When I realized the truth was getting me nowhere, I lied and parroted back their words. It took me 6 months to convince them I was “cured.” Holding onto the truth was the hardest thing I have ever done.

After my release, my father, thankfully, shipped me out to a nice boarding school. My two years there were my best years since my mother and I were separated. When I went back to live with him at age 13, I couldn’t take it anymore. Knowing I’d never find justice in Marin, I ran away, hoping to find a judicious jurisdiction elsewhere. I ended up in Los Angeles.

Los Angeles Juvenile Court took my case and placed me in a safe home. Court investigators and evaluators found my mother to be a fit parent and my father to be dangerous. My father hired an expensive lawyer and tried to play his old tricks, but the judge had none of it. Full custody was awarded to my mother, and visitation with my father was left at my discretion.

In Los Angeles, I was a party in my case, whereas in Marin, I was only leverage in my parent’s battle. Los Angeles was heaven.

The practice of trying to ascertain what is in a child’s best interest exists because minors supposedly cannot speak for themselves. Yet at 11, I could speak for myself. I had a mind and a set of opinions, but no one seemed to care. The judge denied my right to legal representation, especially when the court-appointed lawyer wouldn’t speak my truth. Granted, there is no guarantee that hearing me would have inspired the judge to untwist her motives and unclench her hold on personal allegiances and biases, but who knows? At least it would have been in the court record.

My right as an American is to have legal representation in court proceedings, but when my lawyer wouldn’t speak for me, I was allowed no voice.

No American should be locked up without a trial in front of a jury of peers, or some sort of legal equivalent, but it happens to minors all the time. We have an elaborate system to keep innocent adults out of jail, but no system to prevent the false imprisonment of youth in mental hospitals and discipline institutions.

Children are not parties in divorce proceedings – we are property to be divided. Yet children are people too. As citizens, we must be afforded ourhuman and legal rights. And when those adults who are supposed to speakfor us fail, we need some recourse.

Alanna Krause is now in college, doing well.

 

Footnotes Added: (ACTIVE IN ORIGINAL LINK, ABOVE, and of note:)

Marshall Krause, Alanna’s father is the former counsel, board member and fundraiser for the ACLU of Northern California. He is the former president of the Marin County Bar Association and a partner (of counsel) in the firm of Krause and Baskin. His long time partner, Larry Baskin, is president elect of the Marin County Bar Association and on the current Board of Directors.

In 1998 Mr. Krause pled “No Contest” to WIC Section 300 (a) & (b) charges child abuse and endangerment in Los Angeles Juvenile Court. There is also a Domestic Violence Restraining Order against Mr. Krause, issued by Ventura County Superior court.

Commissioner Sylvia Shapiro-Pritchard, has known Krause for over thirty years. As noted in the Karen Winner Report, she refused to admit the evidence, findings and rulings of Los Angeles Juvenile Court in her courtroom or have any reference of it put into the transcript records. She is the daughter of lawyers Carl & Helen Shapiro. Carl Shapiro is the former head of the Marin County Chapter of the ACLU. Carl Shaprio and his law firm, Shapiro, Shapiro & Shapiro and Marshall Krause worked on cases together.

Sandra Acevedo, then working for the firm of Diamond, Bennington & Simborg was the lawyer appointed by Shapiro-Pritchard that Alanna notes worked contrary to her interests. She is now part of a team of family court lawyer trying discredit the Karen Winner Report, which notes Acevedo’s role in Alanna’s case.

Edward Oklan, M.D., was the Shapiro-Pritchard appointed evaluator to whom Alanna raised the issue of Krause’s abuse but was ignored.

Oklan was also cited in the Karen Winner Report, for his role in the Irish/Planet case.

Lana Clark, LCSW was the social worker who was, according to Alanna, sleeping with Mr. Krause.

Though never appointed by the court, Shapiro-Pritchard and others accepted her reports without question.

John McCall, Judith H. B. Cohen, and Link Schwartz were the lawyers who represented Mr. Krause.

Despite his representation of Krause, McCall was later named by Judge John Sutro Jr. to a panel which is supposed to look into the practices of Family Court.

Sandra Acevedo, Marshall Krause and Judith H. B. Cohenwho apparently still represent Krause, have been among the most recent and vocal critics of the Karen Winner Report. which has tried to expose the practices so well cited by Alanna Krause.

Their effort has been joined by other lawyers mentioned in the Winner Report:Scott Lueders, Mauna Berkov and Terrence Colyer.

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May 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM

British Voice on International Problem: Family Courts

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PLEASE NOTE:  This is not my post or writing!  I post it here to get your attention.  Unlike most of my posts, this one has none of my commentary.
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June 17, 2006

Guilty until proved innocent: the grotesque reality of family courts

Will we be able to report if a mother kills herself through the grief of loss?

THERE IS SOMETHING I wanted to write about today. But I cannot. I cannot even tell you that I cannot tell you, because to do so might be to imply what it was I wanted to write about. And that might lead you to infer that I was referring to a situation that I should not refer to. Get it? No?

I am beginning to understand why so few journalists write about cases in the family courts. The lawyers are patiently diminishing my file of potential cases week by week. But at least I am learning about the armoury of secrecy that social services can deploy which prevents scrutiny of the removal of children from their parents. 

John Sweeney, an investigative reporter and presenter on the BBC’s Real Story, describes reporting on the family courts as being as difficult as reporting from Zimbabwe. Of the seven child abuse cases he has covered in the criminal courts over the past few years, all have ended in the quashing of convictions. Some of the defendants — Angela Cannings and Sally Clark — have become household names. But of the five cases he has covered in the family courts, all have ended in the parents losing their children for ever. You will probably never know the names of those people. Their names must be changed and their faces blocked out, to “protect” the children. It is hard to expose miscarriages of justice when the stories are drained of human content. 

What I have found extraordinary is how often highly able lawyers are uncertain about what we can and cannot write. Despite the issuing of a model order last year by Dame Elizabeth Butler-Sloss, then head of the Family Division, the court orders that limit press coverage are still often so badly drafted as to be completely unclear. Sometimes the order that is drawn up by the court bears no relation to the draft that the press was sent in advance of the hearing. Sometimes we are notified of the order too late to make representations against it. It costs money to fight these orders. Local papers in particular cannot afford to consult lawyers all the time. The result is self-censorship: one errs on the side of caution. We end up conspiring to silence families. 

The irony is that the injunctions are becoming more draconian just as a door is opening in Whitehall. Harriet Harman, the Minister for Constitutional Affairs, has announced that she will consult this year on opening up the family courts to greater scrutiny. This is a positive step. But make no mistake: the same old authorities are gearing up to argue that openness is inappropriate where children are involved. 

Even if that particular battle is won, there will still be miscarriages of justice. For the Government’s consultation will not deal with some fundamental unfairnesses at the heart of the system. The first is the threshold for conviction. In a criminal court, you are innocent until proved guilty, and you can only be convicted if your guilt is beyond reasonable doubt. 

A family court, because it cannot imprison you — only condemn you to serve a different kind of life sentence by taking away your child — “convicts” on a balance of probabilities. You cannot plead not guilty. In fact you are often penalised for not showing “remorse”. The assumption of guilt starts with the first referral to social services and continues into the courtroom, where few judges allow parents to call experts in their defence. New medical research is slowly demolishing the textbooks on child abuse: including various new and innocent explanations for certain types of fracture that are currently thought by social workers to be diagnostic of abuse. But this new thinking is rarely permitted into the family courtroom. 

Wrongs are compounded by the irreversible nature of the judgments. It is generally accepted that once a child has been adopted, the parents cannot see that child again even if they have managed to prove their innocence. They cannot even refer in public to that child by name. Yet this is utterly wicked. Yes, it will be desperately tricky to reunite innocent parents with children who have been adopted by other loving families. But it is a challenge that society must rise to. It is just not good enough to use the manifest difficulties as an excuse for not even trying. Lorraine Harris, who was cleared after serving a jail sentence for shaking her baby to death, when it was proved that he had a blood disorder, has little hope of ever seeing her other child again. We only know of her because her case went through the criminal court. How can this be? How can we pile wrong upon wrong? 

The more I study this area, the more unanswered questions appear. Will we be able to report if a mother kills herself through the grief of loss? Or will they say that this, too, would not be in the interests of the child? Will we be able to report if an adopted child continues to suffer from precisely the complaints that were originally taken to be evidence of abuse? If the family courts are opened up, will there be any redress for parents who protest their innocence, who were convicted in secret? A little more light, please, into the dark corners.

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May 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Darwin in the Dept. of Health and Human Services. . ..

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Good morning, some of you.

This morning, I looked up “Camilla Cavendish,” who I know covers some Family Law in the UK, and doing so ran across “The Heretical Sex” — which seems to be an Australian men’s rights blog, but has enough pro and con commentary that I decided to let them speak for me today.  

Why?

Because:

LetsGetHonest is busy following the Money Trail, by phone and URL.  

I spent about a half hour on hold today attempting to communicate with the local child support agency about what’s up, and again get coherent instructions on how to log into their new, improved, statewide site. And the status of my case.  Because of their previous failures, in large part, I was at a bus stop (not in my car) anyhow, so I was just redeeming some time, or so I thought.  I’ll spare you the commentary on that conversation.  But not on this URL:

 

http://www.cdc.gov/od/pgo/funding/CE09-002.htm#SectionIII

Title:

Adaptations of Evidence-Based Parenting Programs to Engage Fathers in Child Maltreatment Prevention (U01)

 

 United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)

 

Issuing Organization

National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (NCIPC/CDC) at http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/

Background

Parent Training programs are the most promising approach to date to prevent the two most common forms of child maltreatment (neglect and physical abuse).

And the purpose of Child Protection Services was, then . . . . ?  Passing, but failing to consistently enforce laws against child abuse and neglect, or punish people already caught with their pants down sufficiently as a deterrent (see my last post on the judge — OR, Google “Stephen J. Thompson,” a NJ judge.  Former) was . . . . ??

 

“Specific parenting programs {which ones?} have shown {to WHOM?} efficacy for reducing re-occurrence of maltreatment (Chaffin, Silovsky, Funderburk, Valle, Brestan, Balachova, Jackson, Lensgraf, & Bonner, 2004; Lutzker & Rice, 1987), and for preventing abuse in families where it has not occurred (Bugental, Ellerson, Lin, Rainey, Kokotovic, & O’Hara, 2002; Daro & Harding, 1999; Olds, Kitzman, Cole, & Robinson, 1997). 

Trust my government to solicit people to prevent abuse in families where it has NOT occurred, while ignoring abuse in families where it HAS –and all under the same Federal Agency Umbrella.  This is a current grant.  They also acknowledge that:

“prevention strategies specifically targeting fathers or male caregivers have not been developed or evaluated  (that’s debatable…) . . .

This is problematic because research has shown that the role of fathers in child maltreatment perpetration is substantial; studies have reported that as many as 48% of maltreatment cases involve fathers as perpetrators. Furthermore, almost two-thirds of male perpetrators were reported as being the only perpetrators, indicating that prevention efforts involving mothers in these cases would not address the areas of need in these families (US Dept of Health and Human Services, 2005).

Note the specific and recent (4 yrs old) cite, buried somewhere in THE largest federal agency in the U.S., 50%+ of the annual outlay, by its own admission.  If the HHS truly believed this, then why are they so liberally funding “promoting responsible fatherhood” programs which end up mom-blaming and child-support reducing, etc.?

My assertion is that if you adopt the right tone of voice (speak like an expert) and can cite at least one publication which has multiple authors (making it appear to have more credence than a single author, say, “Gardner”??), you can shake loose dollars without being noticed.  Those were MY KIDS’ DOLLARS, and my own, and my friends that supported me while the legal system didn’t!  

Never mess with a Mom who has figured this out and whose children are still minors.  That’s unwise!

I plan to remedy the “WITHOUT BEING NOTICED” part.  NO ONE should be able to put forth this rhetoric and be paid for it.  

Again, let’s consider:

“Adaptations of Evidence-Based Parenting Programs to Engage Fathers in Child Maltreatment Prevention “

If your ten-year old can’t make sense of this, then it shouldn’t get funding.

No one should be allowed anywhere near children that thinks, OR talks, like this.  No talk like this should be heard — I allow that there is an Amendment covering the right talk this way — but without a resounding round of laughter.  And dismissal of grant-status.  Good grief:  get real!  Would you trust your life to these theoreticians?  (well, your money has already been entrusted to them, and other similar).

It seems only appropriate to expose details, ridicule if possible, and question how any of us could’ve taken these systems seriously to start with.  

So, I’ll be back (once I actually LEAVE….).  Here are today’s substitute teachers; they are basically following the same scent, totalitarianism:

They  offer in better writing a foreign flavor (to the U.S.) take on the same old, same old problems of  what in the US we call, at least in some states:

Family Law, Child Support Enforcement, Parent Education, Responsible Fatherhood, Healthy Marriages, Early Head Start, Violence Against Women, Mediation,** and (a recent one entitled approximately), “Explicating Domestic Violence in the Context of Custody,” (a joint project funded from Office of  Violence Against Women through the “Battered Women’s Justice Project” (BWJP) and a group called “AFCC,” which makes for REALLY odd bedmates if you have reviewed their sites, as I did. The trained family law bloodhound sets to baying, and pointers (like me) set to pointing, on alert when they sniff that stuff…)

**MEDIATION:  The fact that individuals recently the target of sufficient physical abuse, and other kinds, to merit an actual restraining order, have to then go bargain for their own children with the perpetrator, simply because one of them got knocked up earlier, seems singularly ridiculous — except in these venues.  No wonder so many mental health practitioners are making a financial “killing around the place, at least so long as their clients both (with kids) shall live.    

***the AFCC: I say has helped more battered MOTHERS stay trapped in battering relationships, and prolonged the tragedy, trauma, and public waste by keeping more KIDS such as Aliyah, or Alanna (Krause, now grown, you may google the name) in their respective places (of torture) — by “explicating” to such decision-making professionals how families (the new subject matter and market niche, along with children) must be behaviorally modified to understand that what they formerly believed (based on what they were just told by a different branch of the same justice system) is hereby and in THIS venue declared hogwash.  

And that if they both refuse to kneel down, in august respect — and, say, train the kids to believe they were not abused when they were, act like they don’t have post-traumatic stress (hint:  returning soldiers have this) when they really do, and for the matter, dealing with hostility and disbelief when reporting abuse triggers it  — and confess the friendly neighborhood “parenting education” classes will actually make all well again, well, alternately, there’s always jail, or custody-switch followed by no-contact orders, or supervised visitation only, and a variety of Spanish-inquisition-like techniques (emotional/ financial) are all here to teach these incompetents a lesson about who’s in charge.  Kind of like the original abuse was intended to also do. . . .  

and all at their cost (or, alternately, if one is already  broke), taxpayer cost.)

The key words here are “Kneel Down.”  Anything else is jargon, which can be discovered by the scientific method (control experiment) of refusing to kneel.  If you don’t yet properly understand, like little Aliyah, what this action is for, when NOT voluntary, see my last post about the Judge in Texas and the Mom in jail.  

Now, I realize that was a breathless paragraph (not including footnotes).  As a singer, I have pretty good lung capacity, but my run-on style is intentional; intent to convey a taste — just a taste — of the dazzling array of claims, institutions, agencies, and hopemongers that inhabit the courts of distress.

NO WONDER !! this is an arena populated by LOTS of mental health professionals.  I have totally ceased taking words and labels at their face value — there are actually very FEW people I know whose word is good, and next to no actually government agencies whose funding titles actually describe their functional effects.  When in doubt, assume the opposite and you are close to the mark.  We have “degraded” from a literate, literal interpretation of the world by assuming that “words” accurately describe “things,” (or people) to a far more instinctive, contextual, and in fact jungle-style way of life.  Words shift and flex in meaning by a bewildering host of dichotomies:  Us/Them, Expert/Plebian, Fathers/Mothers, (add in a few religions, shake til done, and swallow whole?)

If you read the above quote and think I’m speaking in tongues, drunk, or mad, that means you just ain’t been  baptized (been drenched, quenched, and hung out to dry) by by the tax-payer funded institutions, and not a few nonprofit charities as well.   This is not an experience from which retreat to innocence is possible.  It has all the intensity of a close-up encounter with true religion –and not one’s own, or not at least of the mythical America you innocently thought was minding its own business while you were minding yours.

Well, enough of my glossalalia — I’m not praising anyone here, just putting out the signposts of sound.

 Camilla, and Heretical 

(Click, Hunt, Gather, Examine & Sort for yourselves…)

 

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May 13, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Drilling, but not for oil, in Texas Judiciary //Jailing uppity Moms, again, UK.

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This 59 year old judge is going to get  THREE out of the TWENTY possible years he could’ve gotten, in a plea bargain part of which included simply admitting that he was guilty.

If one is going to get caught, apparently, it’s good to know how to minimize damages.  

This just in from The Wall Street Journal (and many other sites!)

 

Disgraced Judge Gets Nearly Three Years in Prison

(May 11, 2009, AP)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124207284541407891.html

HOUSTON — A disgraced federal judge was sentenced Monday to nearly three years in prison for lying about groping two female employees, who described in court the nightmarish working conditions that made them hide from the man one called an intimidating “drunken giant.” 

U.S. District Judge Samuel Kent also was fined $1,000 and ordered to pay $6,550 in restitution to the secretary and case manager whose complaints resulted in the first sex-abuse case against a sitting federal judge.

. . The women he abused told visiting senior Judge Roger Vinson that they came to work scared he might find them — even neglecting to answer courthouse phones — and that he put them through repeated and humiliating sexual abuse at the federal courthouse in Galveston, where Mr. Kent was the lone jurist…..

Ms. McBroom, 50, said her complaint about Mr. Kent, which initiated the case, had been “incredibly stressful,” led to the breakup of her marriage, the loss of her home, forced her to give up what she considered her dream job and put her entire life under a public and legal microscope.

“One would think I was the criminal,” she said. Mr. Kent stared at the carpeted floor for much of the women’s statements.

The judge’s secretary, Donna Wilkerson, told of seven years of abuse by Mr. Kent, whom she said tried to molest her on her fifth day on the job.

(Your parenting plan for today — read the article).

Same case, diff’t source:

Disgraced Judge Sentenced to 3 Years

Isn’t that funny, how “sex sells” but when it comes to a judge who had a problem with this,and lying about it when court, then pleading it out when sentenced, none of the above makes the headlines?  

Is it possible that he was entirely right in believing that he wouldn’t get caught or that, if he did, the punishment wouldn’t be full-force?
I’m so glad our system is in the hands of judges that know how to “work the system,” themselves.   Perhaps his knowledge that he wouldn’t probably pay full price, if caught (and that women’s jobs were at risk, and public humiliation of reporting) might have contributed to this climate of abuse?

 

By Michael Graczyk | The Associated Press
HOUSTON — A disgraced federal judge was sentenced Monday to nearly three years in prison for lying to investigators about whether he sexually abused his secretary. Your wrongful conduct is a huge black X … a stain on the judicial system itself, a matter of concern in the federal courts,” U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson said as he imposed the sentence. Vinson is a visiting senior judge called in from Pensacola, Fla.

Interesting, that the Judge’s “Bark” was considerably larger than the “Bite…”

Kent pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice in February as jury selection for his trial was about to begin. He had been charged with obstruction and five sex-crime counts alleging that he groped his secretary and his former case manager.

Conviction on the most serious of those charges could have sent him to prison for life.”

What to do with a groping, lying, bullying (alcoholic) and unrepentant judge — obviously set an example, and slap him on the wrist, and with a minor (relative to salary) fine.  ((“Huge black Stain” results in minor fees and 3 years out of possible life in prison, or 20?”))

Entering a courthouse shouldn’t become a crapshoot for either litigants — OR employees, for sure.

 

LET”S COMPARE WITH A WOMAN IN THE UK, WHO TEXTED HER SON, IN UTTER DEFIANCE OF A STANDING ORDER NOT TO:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article6256499.ec

Mum jailed for telling son she loves him

A woman has been denied access to her children for three years, accused of trying to turn them against their father

May 10, 2009 (“Mothers’ Day” at least in the US):

Daniel Foggo

. . .

Her failing, in the eyes of the courts, was to have turned the boys against their father.

The remarkable case is likely to prompt fresh calls for more open scrutiny of the family courts system. Although recent reforms allow limited reporting of some hearings, most remain secret.

((NOTE:  This article is not exactly bias-free, but exemplifies what is happening in family law.  Very strict towards mothers who, having been caught in the social service system, or the court’s radar, for violating even minor aspects of a court order. ))

((Note:  Blog author, me, has found, to date, not one single aspect of our current court order enforceable, not even physical custody, let alone visitation, or for that matter, child support.  This is not exactly a healthy situation for anyone, but such it is,  for crossing a cultural paradigm…))

The wife completed a parenting course, but it was felt that she was still allowing the children to “run riot” when she saw them, treating them in an “infantile” way and “encouraging them to make complaints against their father”.

The wife said: “When I held my three-year-old son on my hip and hugged him they said I was treating him in an infantile way. I couldn’t win.”

Matters came to a head in August 2006 when a family court judge ruled that her contact with the children should be stopped, even though it was conceded that all of them had a “constant wish” to see her.

The wife said: “They said I was not strict enough, but I was seeing them for an hour a week, and telling them off for minor things was not the foremost thing on my mind.

“When they said things about their father I was alarmed and wanted them investigated, but when I realised how the social workers were viewing things, I tried to restrain them from talking that way.”

A report from a psychiatrist brought in by social services said: “[The mother’s] willingness to listen and agree with the children’s complaints . . . has undermined any attempts made to provide better management of the children.

“Consideration should be given to terminating [the contact], unless [the mother] has completed in a satisfactory way a suitable parenting course and has accepted responsibility for the confusion caused the children by her permissive approach and other actions.”

This case has many “red flags” for some of us who know them, and have experienced the mother-blaming as opposed to father-examining also.  (The article assumes the court’s view as factual).

Resulting, perhaps in another comment, also from UK:

 

http://www.thelawyer.com 

Family Court transparency:

has New Labour reneged on its promise?

 

13 April 2009 | By Katy Dowell 

 

In December last year Lord Chancellor Jack Straw QC declared that 

the Government would propose to change the law to allow access to 

the Family Court so that justice could be seen to be done. 


According to a statement made by Straw at the time: “It’s vital 

these courts command the confidence of the public if the 

public is to accept the court’s decisions.” 


Before the end of the month Straw will see his vision realised. While the 

move is designed to restore the public’s faith in family law, legal opinion 

is divided over whether the Government’s aims will have the intended 

effect or if, in fact, they will serve to erode privacy further. 

In other words, they are acknowledging a problem exists.  Public faith in family law is not very high over here, either.  Admitting this is  a start, I must admit.

BLOG UPDATE FROM Let’sGetHonest

Here’s my note to the teacher on why I haven’t been posting recently:

  • The dog ate my laptop.
  • My sister stole my homework.
  • My grandmother had a sudden emergency (again, like the last time I told you she had an emergency).  

 

ACTUALLY, this is why:

  • I was in shock over some recent articles detailing (the week before Mother’s Day weekend) Obama was putting his full weight behind solving some apparent “fatherhood woes.” MY brain was trying to reconcile this with what I know about how many (millions of dollars) have been thrown already to extinguish the burning bush of single motherhood, which still persists, and apparently succeeds in raising competent individuals.  THis is putting the “fatherhood” myth in it’s proper perspective.  Something had to be done — FAST.  (NOTE:  This may sound cryptic, but I will try to get the article in question — plus commentary — up properly).
  • I myself was on shock or was it depression, at yet another weekend when I was unable (being a mother) to make even phone contact with my daughters, when an existing court order clearly stipulates they are to be up here on Mother’s Day, adn with their father on Father’s Day. 
  • I am having some technical difficulties (resulting in a “lack of faith” in the widget section of wordpress).
  • There is also this pesky issue of financial survival, which troubles many who have entered the doors of family law system, yet remain unable to extract themselves intact — or at all.  Just think of a bear trap.  It doesn’t have your leg, it has your kids, your heart (which is often in one’s mouth) and while in this situation, it is challenging to creatively restore income lost year after year.
  • Also realizing that the major focus here, perhaps needs to be a separate blog, as tempting as it is to comment on the news regularly.

 

Therefore, apologies for the under-cooked nature of this post.  Then again, RAW FOOD DIET can be a good one.

 

 

 

 

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May 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Obamaland: Domestic Violence Awareness pre- and post-election

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SUBJECT MEMO:

Obama on Domestic Violence, in “Domestic Violence Awareness Month” (Oct. 08)

OCTOBER 2, 2008 2:18AM

Kelly Lark’s Open Salon blog

http://open.salon.com/blog/kellylark/2008/10/01/obama_on_domestic_violence

 

(1) About My (FamilyCourtMatters) Blog, Topic-Switching.

I see it as “Alternating Threads of Thought.”  There IS a tapestry involved, imperfect and news-sensitive though it is.  

Readers will find that I may skip from topic to topic among my posts.  One day, it may be recent news of family annihilations (in the context of divorce and custody).  Another, it may be my reaction to administrative non-reaction to this.  A third day, it may be a bit of history on the courts, or the next day, I post an article from the 1990s.  Yesterday, I tacked on a database (that has been lurking link-side for a long time here), about the US Federal Government, where your $$ went, and how to find out.

(On the $$, I am also working up a separate site . . . . sarcastically entitled “Administering Families, Serving Humanity.”  (“http://hhs-acf-ocse-et-al.blogspot.com/“).  So far, it’s not yet populated with a post.

Well, possibly that comes from having been a musician, and part of this time, a conductor.  Expect different dynamics, melodies, and energy levels.  It’s not just about a single tune (“Father’s Rights.  Mother’s Rights.  Best Interests of Children.  Feminism is anti-God.  God is anti-woman.  Domestic Violence.  Child Abuse, or “false allegations” thereof.  Parental Alienation vs. Post-divorce pedophiliac behavior.  Parental KIDNAPPING.  Due Process Lost.  Law and (dis)order. in the Courts.  Forensic Psychology vs. fact-finding when it comes to child abuse (or for that matter, IPV).  “Healthy Marriage” promotion vs. a single citizen’s right to protect herself/himself and her or his children.  (Boy, i bet THAT order of genders caught your attention!) … Sob stories, Statistics, suicides, femicides, homicides, familycides, or – – – – is it REALLY all just about the money?  Or is it social engineering from on high…))   

Clamoring melodies trying to drown each other out, true.  But on this blog (although I’m sure you detect to what tune my theme is generally pitched) the idea is to examine many threads, and pick up on the energy level, dynamics, and the cumulative expression.  IF the cumulative expression is diminishment of CIVIL rights and due process, we have a problem, folks!  If you come to this conclusion, then I have plenty of links for you to do some homework, or search terms to think about to validate / invalidate your conclusions ideas.

IF justice is being bought and sold at the federal mandate (or initiative) level, and the bottom end of the food chain, those with the most to lose in the matter of injustice, then we have a moral / spiritual / serious constitutional issue (which I think we do).  

OR, is it just about the heirarchy of studiers (and funding for the studies) vs. studied (the population to be tested, randomly sampled, and have the techniques re-adjusted to achieve a desired result — a GOVERNMENT desired result that was not subject to popular vote or poll) then we have a problem.  And that “we” is all of us but those who do not need a country to protect their assets, their families, or their livelihoods.  

So Subject Switching here is to be expected.  Pick your melody and follow it — or, just float along, feel the tilt and roll of the boat.  If  you have leisure for the “float along” blog-read, I presume you are not IN the system, because IN the system many of us (without personal connections, or personal resources, or a professional guide — or a professional guide TO the professional guides, who prey on novices) are water-skiers with one ski and a frayed rope, we need to pay close attention to the wake (of the motorboat) and find ways to maintain our stamina on the fly.  As such, we will be skiing faster and farther afield, and more dangerously so, than those in the motorboat.  If this is you, you might enjoy the thrill of it, or, having had enough, try to let go, slowly sink, and hope shore is within swimming distance.  Or, that the boat circling back to see where you were, lets you on board, and doesn’t force more of the same.

After all, a trip through the family law (and child support, psycho-jargon) system, or through the wide-cast trawling nets that reel squiggling, flapping, or stunned catch from the bottom of the ocean (or food chain, as it were), is going to change one’s major relationships:  With children, spouse, employment, possibly former social acquaintances, concepts of “liberty and justice for all” and a few more items.  

Therefore, it’s my blog, and it’s broad in scope.  If you are overwhelmed, welcome to it.  It succeeded in communicating — because that’s how families are.  If you as a bystander don’t LIKE supporting families (societies) trashed by this, then please come back later and chew off some more data and digest it, or chew it (but don’t inhale — former President Clinton says he didn’t, neither should you.  Take time out, but DO come back.)  And don’t spit anything dark and nasty at me, either, please!  Spittoons ARE available in comments, which I moderate.

Or visit some of the illustrious buttons I’ll be adding later today, and get another take on these items.

Speaking of visitors, this blog is getting viewers from many countries, including a few whose names I don’t even recognize.   Please make yourselves known in a comment or two — I get a little nervous when India, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia show up shortly after I’ve posted something with the word “honor killing” in it, or something about a brave 12 year old that said, give me the law, not your version of it — to her parents, when it came to marrying too early.  Then again, maybe it’s someone else taking heart, which would be wonderful.  I do wonder what West Finland, Sweden, and Scotland are doing here, and Washington, D.C., I’m citing your data and commenting on it, so “deal with it,” OK?  Los Angeles, if you’re the Courthouse, ditto!  

(2) Today’s topic, and how I got to it:

Intro:

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?  Or, how many “awareness” days can you pile into one little month, APRIL, when at least in the U-S-A, many are most sensitively aware to the I-R-S?  I believe April was:  Sexual Assault Awareness month, Child Abuse Awareness Month, and in a few states, governors were persuaded to tack on “Parental Alienation Awareness DAY.”  After all, one needs to even the score every now and then, which PA is intended to do, and in some arenas, has more than.  The thing to become aware of as to “PAS,” however,  is its author, its origins, its prophets & priests, and the varying (and they do vary — radically) responses of various areas of professional expertise (and grants/salaries) Pro or Con.  

Well, I can now scope out the  “He Said / She Said // WE (the experts) say” sites, fairly quickly,  They tend to have more limited vocabularies, and the themes are fairly simple to follow.  This gets boring, and sometimes I like to check one of the regular news an commentary, and just search on a hot term:  “domestic violence” or (any of the above).  Say, “truthout,” or CS Monitor, or Washington Post, or, today, Salon.com caught my eye.  

In between other interests which kind of make up for, I suppose the years when the general tenor of the marital conversation was half a Bible version on gender roles (if you’ve been there, you know which one I mean), or reproof for not living up to my 9 /10ths of the imaginary marriage vows (as opposed to the one I said out loud, before witnesses), or reminding the holder of the 1/10th that if he was the boss and I was the hired hand, where was my pay?, and if working conditions didn’t improve, someone just might be short a hired (oops, “conscripted” hand) for the assigned tasks.  Or, recovering from the somewhat predictable response to such protests (see, eventual DV restraining order actually was granted, based on declaration, and in the company of a support organization which had been helping me survive emotionally, learning a few legal rights on the way, until this event) — part of my compensation is an extra prolific range of reading, on-line and off.  And, I talk to lots of people about their situation.  I am a personal data net.  It helps me navigate…and is entertaining at times, too.

So, I searched “Open Salon” on “Domestic Violence” (Parental alienation didn’t yield a single relevant result, which also tells me that this is a specialized vocabulary to this (Alice in Wonder)land, and, that (as in mirrors) normal words read forwards, but only make sense if you understand they are interpreted backwards..

 

And here it is:

(3) PRE-ELECTION PRIORITY:

Obama on Domestic Violence” (link):

OCTOBER 2, 2008 2:18AM

Kelly Lark’s Open Salon blog

October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. 

The one time when all people are supposed to remember this problem, and perhaps think about it.  In my group, it is the month to get preachers to preach about the unacceptability of domestic violence.  A lot won’t though, because it “encourages” divorce.

I know it is a difficult topic. It is a difficult thing to live through and then admit that you lived through it.  It is extremely difficult to deal with on a regular basis in trying to help.  It’s a soul-sucking, terrible, situation to deal with these  women and their children trying to escape this violence.  But it is so much worse to BE  them, of course.

 But it is always, always, a lesson in the great courage of women.  The women who escape these situations with nothing but the clothes on their back are awe-inspiring – but they don’t know that.  They are simply terrified women  doing whatever they need to do to protect themselves, and more often, their children.

True, I agree, and Thank you, Ms. Larson. “Soul-sucking” is a great, and accurate description.
Thus, your soul has to just dig down deeper, sprouting roots & new leaves. The trouble is, without
adequate safety / separation, the abuser, seeing these new roots and new leaves, tends to escalate, point for point,
to stay on top (sometimes literally) of the power balance.  This is where it gets dangerous, and the individual has to 
face the reality that STRENGTH for the victim (or support) is perceived as CHALLENGE for the batterer/dominator.  Should she keep a LOW profile, or a STRONG profile?  She has to assess risks, while in the court system, she is BEING assessed as to how compliant and submissive she is to these new authorities, with a totally different paradigm, motives, and operating procedures.  For her personal integrity, and safety, she must CONTINUE to say the strong NO, and be backed up in this by the institution that delivered the restraining order!  Institutions also need to realize that abuse runs in families and that  not all families stick by the victim.  Their statements have to be fact-checked and sniffed for bias.
Therefore, She (he) faces a Catch-22, a paradox.  Society respects those who strenghthen themselves, and overcome.
But that abuser, if not repentant, reformed, or restrained, perceives this as throwing down the gauntlet, or as an emasculation (if the DV was rooted in that gender dynamic).  
(it’s a personal pruning as well). It discovers what it’s made out of.
I have experienced this escalation, and it frightened me, severely, to hear authorities trivializing what my instinct knew to be red flags.  I felt like the person at the end of the race cars, wildly waving the flag, but the cars simply didn’t stop.  Crashes later happened, which were then blamed, and clean-up duty was assigned.  (Sorry, that was personal commentary there)…

Ms. Kelly Lark says:

October is National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, so, I  give you  Obama’s statement today,

so we all know he has not forgotten us, and to hail Joe Biden for the VAWA act once more.

{{“Hail”is too reminiscent of “Heil, H_ _ _ _ _” and I tend to reserve mine for now..  How about, “thank” or “express appreciation”?  We are in a republic (ostensibly) not an imperial regime.  At least on the books.  Let’s wait a little on the “Hail, the Conquering Hero Comes,” or Palm Sunday, as it were.}}

“Today, I join all Americans in observing Domestic Violence Awareness Month.  At a time when one in four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime, it’s more important than ever that we dedicate ourselves to working on behalf of the thousands of women who suffer in silence.  {{We WHO?  Some have been all along…}}{{I resent the characterization of “suffering in silence.”  Rather, the silence is deafening to those of us who actually do reach out, and report.  That silence after reporting is ALSO heard by our abusers, and may result in silence the NEXT time. So it’s often a matter of tuning the community’s ears – – not just to reporting, but to tthe laws, the edifices in place to help (and their shortcomings and conflicts of interest), and to the broader definition of DV than broken bones and blood.  And to its effect on children.    Leave it to a man to say we suffer in silence as a whole, although it’s clear many do…}}

Too often, victims of domestic violence don’t know where to turn, or have no one to turn to.  And too often, a victim could be someone you love.  That’s why, as a State Senator, I led the fight in Illinois to pass one of the strongest employment protection laws in the nation, ensuring that victims of domestic violence could seek shelter or treatment without losing their jobs.   {{Shelter/Treatment?  how about Justice/Law enforcement prosecution Help?  I don’t want to underestimate this, but I personally wasn’t showing up with broken bones, but still lost work through trauma, harassments, and direct orders.  Shelter is a first step only and these shelters have their own issues, too.}} That’s why I introduced legislation in the U.S. Senate to provide $25 million a year to domestic violence prevention and victim support efforts That’s why I co-sponsored and helped reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act. And today, I am so proud to have Senator Joe Biden, the man who wrote that groundbreaking legislation that gave so many women a second chance at life, as my running mate in this campaign. {{Well, I am thankful for that legislation too.  Now, are you aware of the groundswell of retaliation against it, or not? }}

{{$25 million sounds like a huge amount.  Spread throughout the country, and compared to funding already in place to WEAKEN the effects of VAWA (let alone a system that tends to do this, probably not accidentally) it has a different ring.  More, below  Thank God for it.  BUT, I have a question.  When I went looking — HARD — for pro bono help to support my 2nd application for a restraining order, or my FIRST contempt of the multiple thousands of $$ child support arrears, I found nothing effective.  Where was that part of the $25million.  HOW’S COME every time I faced my ex in Family Court (and someone coached him to get the case there, too), I see indications that he was getting financial support for legal help, and expert coaching on how to railroad my civil rights?  HOW’S COME when the ABA Commission on DV (or toolkit, you can look it up) advises clearly, along with Family Violence Prevention Fund (or “endabuse.org”)’s “toolkit to end domestic violence –which very fine toolkit, one now has to hunt for on their site) — when that highlights the IMPORTANCE of enforcing child support orders after DV, instead I found an agency intent on NOT enforcing it til custody was switched from me to the batterer, for the first time since we separated?  HOW’S COME when I went to a mediator, he did abide by the rules, and categorically ignored domestic violence, which was an issue all 3 times?  HOW’S COME there is practically no accountability (a “complaint form,” after one’s life was just upended) for quality control in this mediation — yet I see the whole system is adamant about mediation as THE formula, whereas organizations that do research say, it is NOT workable in cases where domestic violence exists?  So, the system makes a token nod — and in a way that eradicates due process (right to answer the charges one is accused of in open forum) by “separate — but unequal — meetings with a court-appointed mediator.  HOW’S COME that mediator “recommends,” but this should not happen in true mediation?  And many, many more “How’s Come’s?” come to my brain.  Especially as I began to review Federal budgets, emanating from the White House, some of which you will see below, shortly.

HOW’s COME?  with all the effort  ~ specifically coming up on a decade’s worth ~ ~ I put into getting free from abuse, with my eyes on alert, my mouth open, and my rudder set straight, it so far has failed, 10 years post-restraining order  Are we only doing triage and then throwing the flapping women up on the shore?  Or, are organizations focused on their own}}

  • As President, I’ll make these efforts a national priority.  {{OUT OF HOW MANY HIGHER RANKING NATIONAL PRIORIOTIES< SOME OF THE CONTRADICTORY TO THIS ONE??}} This month, and every month, we must fight to bring domestic violence out of the darkness of isolation ** and into the light of justice, especially for minority and immigrant women, and women in every community where it goes unreported far too often.  We’ll stop treating this as just a woman’s issue, {{WE WHO?  CLAUDINE DOMBROWSKI, KAREN ANDERSON AND OTHERS HAVE ALREADY BROUGHT IT TO THE INTERNATIONAL / UN LEVEL, FAILING TO FIND HELP IN THE U.S. ON IT? WE ARE ALREADY CALLING IT A CIVIL RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.}} and start recognizing that when a woman is attacked, that abuse scars not only the victim, but [“also” is grammatically correct] her loved ones, sending currents of violence that ripple across our society.  
  • {{On this one, the word “scars,” though effective is weakened.  It is already in the headlines, unchecked, it can and often does not just scar, but also KILL the victim and/or her loved ones.

  • Re:  “loved ones” — Future First Lady Obama, Michelle, help us here.  You should understand.  “loved ones” includes KIDS.  Why no mention here of the overlap between domestic violence, and traumatized kids.  OR, of DV and child abuse?  It’s not exactly rocket science on this, at this point, 2008!    I find “loved ones” too vague.  I love my KIDS.  I separated from their father, who was abusive.  He saw them, but he lost his privilege to LIVE with us.  In this, I, their mother, sought to make a point of what is and is not acceptable treatment of young ladies.  Or older ones.}}
  • We need all hands on deck to address this – [1] neighbors willing to report suspected crimes,{2] families willing to help loved ones seek treatment{{{Batterers’ Programs being proved efffective somewhere that I’m unaware of yet?}} and {3} community leaders {{DOES OR DOES NOT THIS INCLUDE “COMMUNITIES OF FAITH?? INCLUDING SOME OF THOSE ON YOUR ADVISORY BOARD??}} willing to candidly discuss this issue in public and break the stigma that stops so many women from coming forward.
  • {{Sir, with respect, all hands LOCALLY are already taking the brunt of this — nonprofits are overstressed, police officers responsding to DV calls sometimes lose their lives, too.  A woman (this is VAWA, hence the gender) traumatized, in shock, or in the hospital leaves a blank — an expensive one — in someone’s life; either her kids, or her businesses’ (suppose she’s a teacher?  Or in a place in front of many people?  Or a pastor?  Or a lawyer?  Or a DV advocated herself?  Or a woman caring for an elderly parent?  Many of us get attacked for being too “uppity” in our professions, and if we have managed to somehow overcome that, this is a professional disaster, which becomes a financial disaster all too soon”   So, WHICH “WE” DO YOU MEAN HERE?  HOW ABOUT POLICYMAKERS?}}

 

FINALLY, IN 2008, PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA SAID, PER THIS OPEN SALON BLOG:

“Together, we’ll make it clear that no woman ever struggles alone.”  (I hope so, I’m reserving applause, though).  I just reviewed the “We’s” versus the “I’s” (Pres. elect Obama).  I heard ONLY one “I,” only one promise.  And that was in the opening statement.  “AS PRESIDENT, I”LL MAKE THESE EFFORTS A NATIONAL PRIORITY.”  

{{HOW??  Tell us NOW what you — not all of us — plan to do.  After all, you want the vote, right?  What’s your commitment, in DETAIL.}}. . .  As it played out, I have looked already — this same remarkable “lack of detail” is in the White House Agenda.  I have already posted on it, and one of my top links to the above right is a 4-page summary of just how much of a “priority” DV is in the big pictture.  It is LAST on the agenda, and mentioned in appropriate token vagueness:

Department of Health and Human Services” (this is a link)

The subtitle (page header) reads “NEW ERA OF RESPONSIBILITY”

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is the Federal Government’s principal 

agency for protecting the health of all Americans 

and for providing essential human services {{LIKE<, STAYING ALIVE??}}

This (FY2010) Budget provides $768 billion in support of HHS’ 

mission that will bring down costs and expand coverage 


The reserve is funded half by new revenue and half by savings proposals that promote efficiency

and accountability, align incentives toward quality, and encourage shared responsibility (etc. etc.)

 

Let’s compare $25 Million (whether this be 2009 or 2010, the above promise is an indicator): If your high school math is in place, $25,000,000 / $768,000,000 = $25 / $768,000 = or 0.00325% (alternately, 0.0000325). National priority.  Now, I know that the USDOJ administers VAWA, but I am unsure whether its funding actually comes from HHS.  (I will find out, though!)

ANOTHER “QUICK LOOK” WAY IS TO SEE WHERE DOES THIS VAWA COME UNDER THE DEPT. HHS FY 2010 DESCRIPTION.  FOR EXAMPLE:  DOES IT MAKE “FUNDAMENTAL HIGHLIGHTS?”  Look and see (the answer is No).

Does it as such rate its own heading (no).  It shows up LAST, not bolded, in 4 pages of elaborate agenda with details of amount of funding:  The heading on alternate pages reads “NEW ERA OF RESPONSIBILITY” and addressing violence against women, or intimate partner violence (which overlaps with child abuse, can lead to homelessness and death, and does, etc., and has been tagged as potential cause of substance abuse and other troubles under http://www.acestudy.org (Adverse Childhood Experiences — see my link to right) — this does not make the “CHANGE.gov”‘s administrations honor roll, even.

 Domestic Violence comes under “Other Presidential Initiatives” like this:

 

Provides Support for Other Presidential 

initiatives.

The Budget includes funding to reduce domestic violence and enhance emergency 

care systems It also expands the treatment ca- 

pacity of drug courts including services to protect 

methamphetamine’s youngest victims Substance 

addiction is a preventable and treatable chronic 

condition and this initiative helps address the 

most urgent needs The Budget also provides re- 

sources to reduce health disparities, which the 

President has identified as an important goal of 

his Administration 

 

 

The sum total level of description, herein, are the words “reduce domestic violence.”  There is plenty more detail in almost any of the other 17 plans.  Each merits its own paragraph.  REDUCING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE COMES IN #18.5 of 18.

Hardly a “priority,” eh?  ???

Let’s check back at whitehouse.gov — maybe they did better for 2009: (I have also already posted on this):

FAMILY:

Ten days after taking office, the President established a White House Task Force on Middle Class Working Families, led by Vice President Biden. The Task Force is focused on raising the living standards of middle-class, working families across America.

The President’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided needed support to families enduring difficult times.

ALREADY I see I’m not on the map.  We were a middle class (lower) working family plagued by (my husband’s) domestic violence, which has resulted in him, basically dropping off the map economically since separation (FYI, part of the economic abuse, ongoing) and me being forced out of it back onto welfare.  So out of the gitgo, many families, being in this situation, are not on the map economically as to being rescued.  HOWEVER, let’s look.  Under the “FAMILY” is this statement above, that this AMERICAN RECOVERY & REINVESTMENT ACT is to help “families enduring difficult times.”

Domestic violence is long-term difficult times, until it is stopped, or the perpetrator is separated from his victim, and held accountable.  However, a problem arises (among them, jails are full).  ANother problem is the alternate white house agenda of putting fathers (ALL fathers, apparently) back in their kids lives.  I am wondering whether a female-designed program might just have accounted for the concept that under the all-inclusive category of “WOMEN” (in VAWA) are many MOTHERS.  We are approximately half the population, or 51% I heard?  Most of the other half came from some of us.  If the 1 in 4 abuse figure (25% of the 51%) is appropriate, then I think this is a significant enough percentage to merit a mention under “family” in our white house agenda.

Under “Families” are 7 bullets, none of which refers to violence within the families.

Under helping Working Families, it’s not mentioned either.

Under STRENGTHEN FAMILIES, do battered Moms (or women) (or children) make a mention?

Strengthen Families

President Obama was raised by a single parent and knows the difficulties that young people face when their fathers are absent. {{ DESPITE MY RAILING ON THESE SITES< I FEEL HE TURNED OUT ALL RIGHT.  DON”T YOU?  HE BECAME PRESIDENT. I VOTED FOR HIM IN PART HOPING HE MIGHT ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SINGLE MOM TAKE ON LIFE.}}  

He is committed to responsible fatherhood, (1) by supporting fathers who stand by their families and encouraging young men to work towards good jobs in promising career pathways. The President has also proposed an historic investment in providing home visits to low-income, first-time parents by trained professionals. (2) The President and First Lady are also committed to ensuring that children have nutritious meals to eat at home and at school, so that they grow up healthy and strong.

[The bold below was a technical error and will be corrected later]…

A commitment to stopping domestic violence, which is primarily targeted at women when it comes to fatalities, would most certainly help ensure that the children at least get to grow up, period!!

(1) “responsible fatherhood” is a code word for the uninformed, and boy is IT well funded.  By “encouraging young MEN to work towards good jobs in promising career pathways” I would like to note, WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN??  It’s already abundantly clear it is desirable that the Moms put their kids in earlier and earlier Head Start.   The purpose of this is that we go to work.  So why do young MEN get our President’s and his wife’s special encouragement, while the young women, some of who are giving birth, don’t even get a mention when it comes to  “promising career pathways.”  What is expected?  Does he want us at home with our kids (but not homeschooling, which is anti-patriotic, I heard), or in the workforce?  Does he want to perpetuate the WAGE gap while attempting to narrow the health care gap?  What’ gives?

And, I would also like to ask, where is the respect here for some of the older women, who have raised children somehow with or without the benefit of VAWA, and are working also?  If we happen to be divorced and NOT playing 2nd string Mom to some children that were Healthily replaced into Marriages that the Federal Government approves of, what are we expected to to do?  Take up the slack in the VAWA funding as encouraged to do in the Oct. 08 speech above?

Now, while I see under “Women” this is mentioned, I just wish to point out that when discussing “families” it takes a woman to make one.  

“Prevent Violence Against Women

Violence against women and girls remains a global epidemic. The Violence Against Women Act, originally authored by Vice President Biden, plays a key role in helping communities and law enforcement combat domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. At home and abroad, President Obama will work to promote policies that seek to eradicate violence against women.”

 

On subsequent posts, I will describe some of the funding for policies that tend to do the exact opposite.  When it comes to $$ versus words,  a $$ is worth a thousand words, and paints a clearer picture.  

 

Other links on VAWA, not necessarily up to date:

 

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Violence Against Women Act of 1994 (VAWA) is a United States federal law. It was passed as Title IV, sec. 40001-40703 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 HR 3355 and signed as Public Law 103-322 by President Bill Clinton on September 131994. It provided $1.6 billion to enhance investigation and prosecution of the violent crime perpetrated against women, increased pre-trial detention of the accused, imposed automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allowed civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave unprosecuted.

VAWA was drafted by Senator Joe Biden’s office with support from a number of advocacy organizations including Legal Momentum and The National Organization for Women, which described the bill as “the greatest breakthrough in civil rights for women in nearly two decades.”

VAWA was reauthorized by Congress in 2000, and again in December 2005. The bill was signed into law by President George W. Bush on January 52006 

Criticisms of VAWA legislation

Various persons and groups, including Marc H. RudovGlenn SacksRespecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting (RADAR), and African-Americans for VAWA Reform (AAVR), have voiced concerns that VAWA violates due process, equal protection, and other civil rights. {{ALL OF WHICH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ITSELF DOES….}}  None of these groups oppose laws protecting victims of domestic violence. They oppose laws that discriminate exclusively against specific social groups and deny these groups equal protections.

NOTE:  Click on “Rudov” (a name I’m less familiar with) for a sampling of the thinking behind opposition to VAWA

PICTURE ME IN THE AUDIENCE, EAGERLY RAISING MY HAND, AS IN A CLASSROOM, JUMPING UP & DOWN FOR ATTENTION.. ..  “Sir, Sir?   SIR??  I have a question”

Given that many “women” are “mothers,” and the Bush and Clinton administrations are avidly promoting “Healthy Marriages” (meaning, 2-parent households preferred, all others, go to the back of the line, when it comes to custody) “Promoting Responsible Fatherhood,” how are you going to reconcile the domestic violence restraining orders, obtained through the VAWA fundings, with the inevitable trip through the family law system, where another paradigm reigns?  

How are you going to reconcile “Promoting Responsible Fatherhood” {{=child support waivers (lowered obligations) in exchange for increased access (to children that may have witnessed Dad beating Mom to the point the law had to intervene)}} with the above claim.  As I am sure you know, those movements “rule” in the family law system, and are vastly outfunded compared to this $25million, though we do appreciate it?

Would it not be simpler to de-fang the the policies that are specificall directed AGAINST VAWA and AGAINST the right of a woman to NOT remarry after leaving an abuser, without losing the children that she removed from that volatile environment?

Or, I have another idea.  If the “communities of faith” continue (as they have) to operate as a law unto themselves (as they do) in the matter of domestic violence, being as clergy at least, many of them mandated reporters of DV & child abuse, how’s about you remove the tax-exempt status unless they PUBLICALLY post the laws stating that domestic violence, spiritual or moral problem that it is too, IS in this country a felony or misdemeanor crime??

I have another question:  It has been shown and reported well (see “The Batterer as Parent,” by Lundy Bancroft) that one of THE most important ways to help children recovver from the trauma of seeing a caretaker abused is to be supported in their relationship with the nonabusive spouse.   Are you or are you not aware that when a protective parent comes into the family law system, she is likely too get stripped of, in either order, her kids (and access to them), or her finances.  How are you going to reconcile the competing members of your supporters in this matter?  Are you willing to lose the support of some of the prior administration in order to protect women and children, and reduce taxpayer waste in these matters?
May I speak to your wife on these matters?  
Are you aware that the mere presence of a woman in a high-ranking policy post does not mean she isn’t sexist, still?  
ARE YOU COMMITTED to upholding the U.S. Constitution even if it affects your constituencies?
These are things I as a woman AND mother whose case was badly mishandled from the outset, right out the door of the domestic violence kickout order, and I believe SOLELY because I had children.
A picture is worth a thousand words.  You have conjured images above that don’t resemble the reality, the ugly reality of these matters.  You have called to a “we” but “we” who already have become “we’s” in this matter have questions about some “You’s.”  Are you willing to confront some of the “father’s rights” policies that have impoverished and put a risk women, mothers, coming out of domestic violence.  ??
I will look at the overall picture of funding, and not just a single, impressive figure, in assessing whether as President you have put our money (not yours, but OURS, as citizens) where your mouth was on this month.
WHERE I WAS IN OCTOBER 2008:  Unemployed due to unchecked DV.  NOT the economy (in this particular situation).  Disgusted with the previous entire year’s re-run through the nonprofits that don’t acknowledge that domestic violence affects job stability, and credit, with my inability to get EDD, but time wasted in the process, and with the lack of charity access to some very, VERY basics such as:  cell phone (for safety, and to receive callbacks from potential clients or employers), and bus passes, once my car went down for the count (again).  Without car, consistent cell phone (and yes, I called ALL that I could find of the supposed organizations to providei them), and without income to provide food even, my health went down and trauma level (exposure) went up.  I was also stalked this year, and mocked for reporting it to my family, but managed to squeak out a single police report.  
For some of us, domestic violence is not just a monthly awareness.
Add to this, my increasing awareness that all of this was avoidable if ONE sector had done it’s assigned job honestly and ethically.  I knew which ones, and I sought it.  I was rebuffed, and my kids are still living with their batters, as are many, many mothers with whom I associate.  
Where else I was in october 2008 was, losing heart.  But as I say above, we women have ways of sprouting roots and new shoots.  The cycle of jobs and relationships, though, is getting “old.”
Thank you for your time. . . . . . . 

Prevent Violence Against Women

Violence against women and girls remains a global epidemic. The Violence Against Women Act, originally authored by Vice President Biden, plays a key role in helping communities and law enforcement combat domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. At home and abroad, President Obama will work to promote policies that seek to eradicate violence against women.

Federal Assistance by Major Agency 2000-2009

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Federal Assistance by Major Agency

Table shows amounts in percentages of total for fiscal year, and is sorted by FY 2000-2009 total dollars.
Switch to dollars or re-sort using column headers


 

Major agency FY 2000 FY 2001 FY 2002 FY 2003 FY 2004 FY 2005 FY 2006 FY 2007 FY 2008 FY 2009 FY 2000-2009 FY 2000-2009 Rank
Department of Health and Human Services 27.101% 26.373% 28.402% 32.806% 29.415% 29.196% 27.349% 59.705% 53.709% 15.292% 30.520% 1
Department of Homeland Security 26.709% 27.637% 28.934% 26.555% 27.757% 29.494% 30.967% 0.024% 0.063% 0.000% 26.452% 2
Social Security Administration 29.684% 29.031% 27.206% 25.313% 26.454% 26.858% 25.196% 0.008% 0.007% 0.010% 25.025% 3
Department of Agriculture 5.876% 5.898% 5.917% 4.915% 5.891% 5.508% 5.608% 2.441% 3.135% 7.709% 5.462% 4
Department of Education 1.302% 2.495% 2.307% 3.723% 3.390% 2.283% 2.887% 13.840% 17.973% 29.622% 3.680% 5
Department of Transportation 2.328% 2.256% 2.690% 2.145% 2.379% 1.960% 2.470% 14.560% 8.677% 14.221% 2.970% 6
Department of Housing and Urban Development 2.922% 2.296% 0.581% 0.661% 0.791% 0.762% 1.906% 0.000% 7.828% 20.643% 1.620% 7
Department of Vetetrans Affairs 1.582% 1.496% 1.531% 1.502% 1.579% 1.674% 1.578% 0.016% 0.044% 0.008% 1.458% 8
Department of Labor 0.619% 0.646% 0.666% 0.596% 0.544% 0.495% 0.474% 1.920% 1.687% 0.601% 0.650% 9
Department of Justice 0.249% 0.302% 0.282% 0.336% 0.325% 0.277% 0.225% 0.543% 0.487% 0.003% 0.298% 10
National Science Foundation 0.236% 0.200% 0.195% 0.280% 0.168% 0.237% 0.215% 1.183% 1.126% 1.397% 0.285% 11
Environmental Protection Agency 0.268% 0.245% 0.236% 0.194% 0.204% 0.189% 0.163% 1.631% 0.752% 1.004% 0.276% 12
Department of Defense 0.154% 0.168% 0.135% 0.136% 0.151% 0.150% 0.163% 0.910% 0.927% 2.696% 0.212% 13
Department of Interior 0.070% 0.107% 0.088% 0.090% 0.159% 0.154% 0.099% 0.420% 0.653% 1.424% 0.145% 14
Department of Energy 0.101% 0.097% 0.103% 0.083% 0.102% 0.105% 0.090% 0.498% 0.438% 0.769% 0.124% 15
Department of Commerce 0.083% 0.095% 0.092% 0.077% 0.078% 0.081% 0.077% 0.212% 0.179% 0.194% 0.091% 16
U.S. Agency for International Development 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.908% 0.833% 1.469% 0.063% 17
National Aeronautics and Space Administration 0.064% 0.060% 0.061% 0.054% 0.054% 0.046% 0.040% 0.148% 0.198% 0.296% 0.062% 18
Department of State 0.007% 0.001% 0.004% 0.003% 0.007% 0.004% 0.006% 0.320% 0.498% 0.635% 0.034% 19
Small Business Administration 0.019% 0.021% 0.022% 0.027% 0.027% 0.022% 0.027% 0.020% 0.021% 0.000% 0.024% 20
Department of Treasury 0.000% 0.001% 0.000% 0.001% 0.001% 0.001% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.001% 21
Nuclear Regulatory Commission 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 22
Office of Personnel Management 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 0.000% 23
All other agencies All other agencies help link 0.626% 0.575% 0.547% 0.502% 0.525% 0.503% 0.464% 0.692% 0.766% 2.006% 0.548%
Total 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000% 100.000%

The assistance database is compiled from agency-provided data. For timeliness details, please see the Data Quality tab.

Note: The numbers in this table can change after each data load. Transactions included in a data load can impact numbers for the current and previous fiscal years.

The data housed on USASpending.gov is provided by Federal agencies. Please refer to the Data Quality site for information about the current status of data quality. USASpending.gov is continuously developing ways to measure and improve the quality of the data on the site.

 

 

Point, Click, Search, Sort, Browse.

For example, I sorted by State for 2008 (HHS) and randomly picked a program in Arizona that had a fairly high expenditure:

Not suprisingly, it was Head Start (consistent with HHS figures), and showed a near doubling in 2007-2008

Assistance Search Results
(FY 2008)

List of Individual Transactions for FY 2008

You can click on the column headers below to re-sort the search.  
Federal Funding Recipient Name Major Agency Program Date Program Source (Agency-Account) Program Source Description
$11,069,189 CHILD PARENT CENTERS INC  Department of Health and Human Services   Head Start 2008-08-19 75-1536  
$5,776,032 CHILD PARENT CENTERS INC  Department of Health and Human Services   Head Start 2007-12-18 75-1536  
$2,888,017 CHILD PARENT CENTERS INC  Department of Health and Human Services   Head Start 2008-03-20 75-1536  
$2,888,013 CHILD PARENT CENTERS INC  Department of Health and Human Services   Head Start 2008-05-20 75-1536  

Total transactions for fiscal year 2008: 4

Federal funding (within this search) for the year : $22,621,251

 


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May 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM