Archive for September 2009
No more public purging of the consciences, please. . . .
Re: the last high-profile case in Antioch, California
Kidnapping, torture & use of women by men with collusion of other women has been going on for plenty of years. This woman made a mistake, thinking that a ride with a baby and woman in the car was safer; just as a woman that was kidnapped and raped, around 1976, by the current headline-grabber, Phillip Garrido, made a mistake of picking him up. Unlike Colleen, she was rescued. Please note the captivity techniques, I’m talking emotional plus physical:
My commentary is in italics or red, and this has me thinking, as naturally the Garrido case is. I should probably stop trying to blog on it.
1977 Wikipedia Kidnapping_of_Colleen_Stan
Colleen Stan is an American woman who was kidnapped and held as a sex slave by Cameron Hooker in Red Bluff, California, for over seven years between 1977 and 1984. At the trial of her abductor, her story was described as unparalleled in FBI history.[1]
On May 19, 1977, Cameron Hooker kidnapped 20 year old Colleen Stan as she was hitchhiking to a friend’s birthday party. Colleen accepted the ride and felt safe since Hooker’s wife, Janice, and their baby were in the car.
Once alone in an isolated area, Hooker pulled off the highway and put a knife to Colleen’s throat. Earlier, Cameron and Janice had reached an agreement that Janice could have a baby if Cameron could have a sex slave. She had her baby and now he had his sex slave. Colleen had been kidnapped for torture and humiliation while Janice reserved Cameron’s love and kindness for herself. There was to be no sex with Colleen according to the agreement, but this was later to change.
After her kidnapping, Colleen was tortured and kept locked in a box 23 hours a day. In January, 1978, Colleen was given a contract and forced to sign herself into slavery for life. Cameron led her to believe that she was being watched by a large, power organization called “The Company” which would painfully torture her and harm her family if she tried to escape. She was assigned a new slave name, “K”, forced to call Cameron “Master”, and not allowed to talk without permission. Cameron wanted his new slave to be like the woman in the Story of O. Shortly after becoming slave K, Cameron starting raping Colleen in violation of the agreement he had with his wife. The torture and abuse of Colleen never ended. In time, the Hooker family moved to a mobile home in Red Bluff and kept Colleen locked in wooden boxes under his and Janice’s water bed. In 1978, Janice gave birth to a second baby on the water bed above Colleen!! !! !!
Colleen’s faith in God and belief that someday she would be free helped her survive. Colleen’s greatest fear was not of Cameron, but of “The Company” which Cameron reinforced on a daily basis.
To avoid painful punishments, Colleen tried to be a good slave. In time, Colleen became a trusted slave and was allowed out to jog, work in the yard, and care for the Hooker children alone in the mobile home. Even with an open door, neighbors, and a telephone, fear of “The Company” kept her from seeking help. Colleen was even allowed to visit her family by herself in 1981. While at home, Colleen did not reveal the truth about her situation because of her fear of “The Company” and what they would do to her and her family. Her family thought Colleen must have become involved in a cult because of her homemade clothes, lack of money, and absence of communications over the years. Her family didn’t want to pressure her fearing she would go away forever. Cameron posed as Colleen’s boyfriend and returned the next day for Colleen.
MY two stolen-on-an-overnight daughters were “allowed” to visit approved adults, even in my own area, before the case went to family court, after which a mediator first ignored (and added a few lies, refusing to even give me the court-prescribed intake form, which had a SLOT for “child-stealing!”) then a (female) judge rubber-stamped the child-stealing and rewarded their father for his “initiative “in committing felony-child-stealing (at least as I read the law). His financial reeward for this initiative came almost IMMEDIATELY from the child support agency which, although it totally bailed on enforcing or setting some standards for the arrears prior to stealing, was VERY adept at curtailing it once news got out the children weren’t in my home — because they’d been stolen! However, they then began a real stalling game with me as I, having just been shocked, traumatized, lost a signficant round of ongoing work (2/3 of it to be specific) at the beginning of a school year, and being totally absent income from the father which, though previously unpredictable and sporadic, had occasionally come in.
In this state of shock and significant lost income, which began with the shock of having my daughters, that I’d removed from a violent marriage years ago, and was raising as best I could around escalating abuse, but we’d just found a very decent home, nearby; just started the school year, etc., I was supposed to fight, ALONE in my own family, a legal battle to get the kids back. My mother, who’d been roped into the family clan game, was (I later learned) bullied out of providing funds enough to an attorney to get them back even though she didn’t approve of this event, which she (apparently) was misled into thinking was not going to happen, even when I’d been actively saying it was about to, and trying to pr3event it! (While also handling life, moving, etc.)
This was not in a box below a water bed, it was surreal and out in the open (but decisions made behind closed doors of courtrooms, and other households, etc.) and like a waking nightmare.
They have since been “broken” or convinced that the designated family member (me) is now the “bad” member, because I didn’t just get over it, and accept the extended polygamy thing, and the kidnappers {sic– not out of state] (who are more than one) are the rescuers and truly care for them. I supp0se — all I know is that people who had been “screened” previously (i.e., were willing to take antagonistic action towards me) were approved as seeing my daughters while this man was in violation of a physical custody order, for several weeks. My failure to get them back was definitely related to my realization that police were not going to act on this, combined with what the father would do should I attempt to, a second time. Although prior to this date (about 3 years ago), I was instead trying to get help, get enforcement, and get financially free as well (from this person I left many years ago), AND to prevent this incident, which WAS foreseeable, but too many “ENABLERS” chose to “ENABLE” a father and ignore the mother in the case. I credit the overall sexism and misogyny flowing through the system with the tolerance of this. I’m not the only such parent by a long shot.
Since that month, several years ago, I have become seriously concerned about WHAT would cause two American-born men, and their wives or women, to so devalue the laws of this state and country, and be SO paranoid about unsupservised contact with my two daughters with people/adults/teachers who might actually get to know them well as people. the educational system was in constant turmoil (intentionally), private lessons were curtailed for the girls, and my jobs as well were (like the whiplash involved in trying to ride this out) also in turmoil. Traumatic bonding with where the power balance went was obvious. Confusion, and false imprisonment, isolation, and I deduce from the court papers that my girls, too, were told that I would retaliate severely upon them for betraying me (when the fact was, the father was retaliating upon me for showing independence including in granting one girls’ specific school request, which would’ve put her in school-time contact with a close friend). Letters — not like Colleen Stan’s, but with certain similar characteristics — were obtained from my daughters and trotted out in court as if they were truly voluntary in this context: Stay with Mom and take the heat, or come with us and get relief.
Circles that my daughters have been “allowed” out in include, naturally, church circles. One kid is even now in college, but a college was chosen (with zero input from me, naturally — this was part of the communal clan “put-down” of their mother for asserting some input into daughters’ futures) and this daughter enrolled. This college is hard to get into, and LARGE. It also “just happens” to be within a short bike ride from one of the abducting (or abduction-enabling) adult couple’s home. I have spoken with my daughter about this and congratulated her on her getting in, and spoken that I believe someday she will need to reconcile this family business, and that I would’ve recommended an out-of-state one where she might get some distance from our “dysfunctional family.” I was not given a forwarding address or dorm address. i don’t know what would happen should I try to contact her there. I hope and pray that she will come into contact with some individuals in this college campus who will help her put thing sin perspective (as well as behind her), but also where at some point in time, she will at least KNOW the truth.
In situations of ongoing family abuse, people get sacrificed, and the others around them seem to decide WHO is the victim. Think “gang” and you have the right idea. This is evident in the case below. Lives are, naturally wrecked.
Sorry to bring this up, but these thoughts come up when dealing with the similarities, nasty ones, with the principles of kidnapping, abduction, intent, lies to those abducted, and threats, and the period of grooming, isolating, threatening, and so forth. The strong of spirit/faith/lucky get free.
I don’t know how any mother, such as Jaycee Dugard’s, or Colleen’s (below) could ever ‘get free’ from the situation of knowing a child was stolen in this manner.
It happens all the time through the family court system, and this is a social issue that the United States had better deal with soon. It IS a form of child-trafficking complete with enablers, and fees exchanged, and excuses. Makes me want to vomit when I think about it, adult pretentious people pretending to be nice, while covering up these sorts of crimes.
Cameron, fearing he had given his slave too much freedom, took her back to his mobile home and locked her in the wooden box under his water bed. Colleen remained in the box 23 hours a day for the next three years sleeping, dreaming, and praying. The Hooker children were told “Kay” (a form of Colleen’s slave name K) had gone home.
In other words, lies all round… Constant lying is an indicator something’s wrong, folks, and you’d best ask WHAT!
At night, after the children had gone to bed, Cameron would take Colleen out of the box to feed and torture her. It wasn’t until 1984 that Colleen was reintroduced to the children and neighbors, and allowed to get a job as a maid at a motel. As the children were getting older, Cameron knew things had to change. He wanted Colleen to become his second wife. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
My daughters, TOO, were “allowed” to get housecleaning and babysitting work. For church folk, I heard. They were sent out off the country on an evangelism trip. They were allowed to see, naturally, the relatives who felt that a judge didn’t know what he/she was doing in granting sole physical custody after domestic violence to the mother, and so forth. Rather than go to court and present actual facts supporting a custody switch, the children were stolen first (after extracting letters from them first), and then falsely imprisoned for a few weeks, in a dramatic and traumatizing fashion, I’m sure to them too, not just me. It was brazen, and this was staged and happened AT a law enforcement station. How do you think my kids felt? Do they remember?
They were not allowed to participate in anything of the quality or the nature of their former lifestyle, most particularly anything involving regular contact with an adult professional teacher, or participation in after school performing or sports groups with anyone they’d formerly been associated with. In other words, with any group that this particular set of adults, plural supporting the criminal removal of daughters from their mother’s household, was not “on top of.”
In these situations, everyone has an assigned role, as is seen from the Colleen case, and can be seen from the Jaycee Dugard case, or practically any other situation of brainwashing, lying, deceit and criminal or cult-like behavior
The same thing goes for being stuck in a battering relationship. After a while, the concept of getting out becomes faint, but a hope, but when a sense that you are going to get out is felt by the perpetrator, things can heat up or blow up FAST. This is how I experienced it, and once I started to leave (the battering relationship, and mine happened to be marriage, too), I had to make sure I finished the process.
Unfortunately, there was another system around to make sure I did NOT finish the process, and this is a trap – I see it as that — that many women face, when attempting to leave any relationship with children intact. There is a whole domain of law that is in communal denial (no matter what they proclaim, I assert) that domestic violence can be lethal. I think that one factor that allows this system to stay in such denial is that they are not the ones about to be shot, stabbed, threatened, hung or clubbed to death. Or extorted for cash or kids later on in the process. Or, a lesser version of this, somehow forced onto the street/homeless. But after enough assaults and events for enough years, one thoroughly realizes that implicit threats can be acted on, and the thing is, to figure out which ones are bluffs and which are not, as Colleen, eventually, learned here.
Sometimes someone gets lucky and one of the many women (or I suppose men) the bastard has also been betraying and being cruel to, or otherwise using, gets tired of it and reports, or turns him in.
To enable this, everyone has an assigned role. I don’t think my own family (and certain others involved) realizes to what extent I understand who is playing which role. It’s transparent if you are outside the system. There are the scouts, pretending solicitously to be concerned about other players (cf. “good cop, bad cop”) which comes out when the “good cop” one is asked to act on their supposed empathetic understanding of the situation. The ability to turn coat on a dime is an indicator of who one is dealing with.
There have to be those who financially support it — everyone needs to eat, right? Housing is needed.
There are the planners and there are the enablers. These things are not usually one-person operations, for sure. ONE thing is for sure, the children or young ladies stolen WILL work hard, and work to pay their own way in a situation, the extent of which will appear afterwards.
When the various people involved get more brazen (as has happened in my case), this is frightening, and such is the case in recent (last 2) years. Because the harm could be to onesself OR to a family member. I’ve seen it go both ways when I wasn’t sufficiently intimidated.
I think a pack of dogs would figure out the pecking order quicker, but unfortunately, human beings, especially adult ones, get tired of being on the receiving end, and tend to fight back over time. This is why abusers keep abusing, and escalating over time; they know they have to ride herd over others. Let’s hope every single one of these types of bastards makes a mistake in judgement as to his cohorts, and that every single woman or girl in this situation somehow gets free.
Can you imagine the trauma of the woman in the box in this story? Yet she gets free (read on). So do some POWs.
To my daughters:
- Daughters, I miss you, and sometimes I think that you may read this, and not knowing what state of belief you are in these days, you may react in anger. It’s been years, and I have not been able to accomplish what I wanted in this matter. I’m distressed because of the HOW it happened, let alone that this could happen in our country. I have also tried to reconcile morally any “moving on” when as far as I know you are not physically far away, even.
- Know for sure that you don’t know all the story; there are other chapters going on in different arms of the “family” to prolong (or worsen) the status quo, in short depriving you of another working parent, when previously there WAS at least one, me. I’m sorry about that.
- You should know that I never wished this on you, and that in time, it will HAVE to be acknowledged in which direction truth was, and truth was not in these matters. There are court papers, there are facts, and there are memories, and there is a lot of confusion for sure. But both of your strength and innate intelligence is there, and I trust goodness left in there to make sure that, depending on when I see you next and if YOU go on and have kids, you will NEVER subject them to this.
- You will need some feminism one of these days. Make sure you get to it somehow. Make friends outside church circles, and be wary.
- As you know, I didn’t originally come from this statae, but came to get to know my family of origin, as adults. I can say with certainty, that I entirely regret this matter; they were NOT worth it, but the one great thing that happened in this state was your births and getting to know you growing up. The rest of it, I chalk up to experience and misguided loyalties to people I share DNA with. Don’t EVER fall for that again; the indicator is, if they are not bothering to contact you for a few decades, let it go, you don’t owe them something.
- I WILL be contacting you (if possible) as soon as I know BOTH of you and I can do so without retaliation. By the way, there was intercepted and returned mail, and I can’t afford continual “registered” mail circus. You know where I am.
- Do not ever sink so low as to do participate, or enable, something like this to happen to someone else. And don’t believe everything you are told. Remember I did NOT prevent visitation from happening, year after year, but one day, your other parent made sure it never happened again, even when a court order said “every other week, every other vacation and two weeks in the summer.” It was never obeyed. Til the point, it became meaningless. WHy go through all those procedures if none of them are respected?
- Don’t ever lie unless you are being threatened to, and safety is involved. People who want you to lie will also lie to you, and already are.
- I am not free to confront this yet, grandma is involved. Things will change sometimes.
- And don’t ever, ever hitchhike!
(I don’t know why I”m going to post this today, I just felt like it…… It’s so hard to blog on the Garridos, but so important. Another source (Chesler) put these two together, so perhaps by writing on one further distant (in years) it will be easier somehow).
BACK TO THE CASE FROM WIKIPEDIA:
Janice had also been tortured and brainwashed over the years by her husband. She was both a co-conspirator and a victim herself. She had survived through denial and compartmentalization. By August 1984, her world was falling apart. Janice went to Colleen and told her Cameron was not part of “The Company.” With fear of “The Company” removed, Colleen got on a bus and went home. Colleen didn’t go to the police because she wanted to give Cameron, at Janice’s request, a chance to reform. However, Cameron continued to show an interest in sadism. Three months later it was Janice, not Colleen, who reported Cameron to the police.
The police, during their investigation, discovered Colleen may not have been Cameron’s first victim. Disappearing in 1976, Marie Elizabeth Spannake had been kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. Unable to locate the remains of the woman and with no physical proof, Cameron was never charged with murder.
Once back home, Colleen went to school for an accounting degree, married, and had a daughter.[2] She also joined an organization to help abused women. Both Colleen and Janice have changed their last names and continue to live in California. There is no communication between the women. In March 2009, an updated version of Colleen’s story, in her own words, was published under the title “Colleen Stan, The Simple Gifts of Life” (ISBN 978-1440118371.)
[edit]Trial
Chris Hatcher, forensic psychologist and criminal profiler, testified for the prosecution at the start of the 1985 trial.[3]
Hooker was in the end sentenced to consecutive terms for the sexual assaults, for the kidnapping, and for using a knife in the process, for a total of 104 years imprisonment. He will be eligible for parole in 2022.
{{Well we’re all forewarned, I guess!}}
Janice, Hooker’s wife, testified against Cameron at the trial in exchange for full immunity.
{{DAMN! However, that’s how it goes hanging out with crooks, I suppose. Watch your back, or pick better friends.}}
Look: Domestic Violence matters. Ask Phil Garrido’s first wife. Ask Lindolfo Thibes’ daughter.
Good Grief, when are we going to take ANY violation of ANY criminal law VERY seriously?
Sorry to drop people in the post mid-stream, but this has been a very disturbing case to handle, given that my own kids were “kidnapped”in the context oif all these key elements, practically, except prior prison term and rape conviction (or as far as I know, rape). But, most of the rest.
Including the system’s failure to put a lid on it.
(Stolen, not kidnapped, technically. Only the fact that they were not actually removed from the state meant it was not kidnapping and prevented, supposedly, FBI from involvement. They were missing to me, for sure, at this time. I have too many and very significant questions (not all evident from this post) as to WHY certain perpetrators are getting out of prison when and in what means they do. Also as to WHY certain crimes are still not taken seriously enough by: arresting officers, prosecutors, and sentencing judges alike.
I know as well as anyone and so do many, many women and children, how one could be abused “in broad daylight” and no intervention in sight. I don’t think grown women get “used” to this, but children are an entirely different situation.
Everyone assumes someone else is handling it. Not enough people are willing to notice, act on, AND follow through and press police, etc. to follow through on, what they have reported. When I was assaulted at home, sometimes neighbors called police to the home, who didn’t press charges, report, or for the most part hand out anything regarding domestic violence. Up to and including several years after the violence against women act had passed, too. The reporting didn’t stop much, and generally happened after an incident was already over with. It didn’t deter a follow-up.
I not only kept showing up for work (though often traumatized) I once even showed up in the dentist’s office with my teeth knocked loose. I don’t remember almost any questions being asked, of any significance, in how this happened. How often did they get women with front teeth knocked loose in there? Especially nonathletic looking ones that didn’t look like the lifestyle included rollerblading or contact football, etc..
When my kids were stolen, law enforcement was involved in ENABLING this, as was the family law system, as were “mediators” and of course my relatives were part of the support system making it happen, and reason for it. It was part of the “cult-like” mentality. While these people work, I presume, in public, what they do in private is as “off the grid” as any Garrido.
This kidnapping/sex abuse/rescue case is prominent enough, I’ll not summarize it here, any search will produce an article RICH with links, fascination, background, and excuses. It’s a public purging of the conscience and an attempt to lay blame somewhere, so we can all get on with life and believe that this is NOT business as usual in quality or quantity.
It takes a Village to raise a child? It takes several villagers to expect law enforcement to handle what they know is going on.
The same method that works for not reporting domestic violence against women, and stalking, kidnapping, jealous obsessions, and inordinate need to DOMINATE — if only one woman, still, that woman — plus failure to maintain one’s own livelihood, participate productively in society (not productively in the black market or “off the grid”).
Garrido – – WHY WAS HE ON PAROLE?
From rag NYDAILYNEWS (I had to put blinders on to read the article, which was pretty raw itself):
August 30, 2009:
Look at this account of his first kidnapping/rape victim that generated the 1977 sentence, of which he only served 11 years.
Conrad was on routine patrol in the early morning hours of Nov. 23, 1976, when he spotted a car with California tags outside a Reno storage facility.
The cop soon noticed a light flickering under the shed’s rollup door, prompting him to bang on it. A disheveled Garrido, shirtless and wearing jeans, opened the door almost immediately.
“I asked him what he was doing in there,” Conrad recalled.
Before Garrido could answer, a female voice cried out from inside the warehouse, and a woman emerged from behind a curtain completely nude. She said she had been kidnapped and raped.
“He didn’t seem nervous or anything,” Conrad said. “He just said they were boyfriend and girlfriend, and they were just having consensual sex.”
(How consensual depends on the point of view….)
Conrad told the woman, later identified as Katherine Callaway, to get dressed. His backup arrived soon after and informed him that the license plate had been traced to a car involved in a kidnapping that afternoon.
Callaway was abducted, handcuffed and assaulted after picking up Garrido as a hitchhiker.
Conrad slapped cuffs on him.
t’s that “ONLY 11 YEARS” part that concerns me, as I wonder about the NJ Toms River, let out murder/suicide situation, plus the similar one, same area, the previous year. What’s UP with that?
LISTEN:
Even then, Conrad didn’t know that Garrido was high on acid and that the storage unit was equipped with various sex aids, pornography, stage lights and wine.
Garrido later told a detective he needed to dominate women to satisfy his sexual urges.
“I said, ‘What the hell are you resorting to this for?'” retired Reno Detective Dan DeMaranville, 74, recalled to The News. “He said that’s the only way he gets sexual gratification. … The guy should have been castrated while he was in prison.”
COMPARE:
The 56-year-old psycho kept Dugard and the two daughters he fathered with her captive in a secret compound behind his home in Antioch, Calif.
Local cops acknowledged they missed an opportunity to save Dugard in 2006 when a neighbor reported the man known as “Creepy Phil” had sexual addictions and kept little girls in his backyard.
The deputy dispatched to Garrido’s home left without even setting foot in the registered sex offender’s yard.
The mystery of Dugard’s disappearance ended when a University of California, Berkeley, cop became suspicious of Garrido and contacted his parole officer. Garrido later confessed to kidnapping the sweet-faced blond, cops said.
CAN WE CONNECT THIS WITH other FORMS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN, PLEASE??
Jaycee Lee Dugard kidnapper Phillip Garrido’s first wife Christine Murphy says he’s a ‘monster
(NY Daily News, next day)…
The Monster’s first wife says he once “tried to gouge” her eyes out with a safety pin.
Phillip Garrido, who is accused of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard and raping her repeatedly during 18 years of captivity, went into a jealous rage when he saw another man flirting with his wife.
“He took a safety pin and went after my eyes,” Christine Murphy told Inside Edition. “He left a scar on my face.”
(Why not go after the man?)
Murphy, who said she and Garrido were high school sweethearts in northern California, said he “smacked” her around during their brief marriage and that she became his first kidnapping victim when she tried to flee him.
“I was always looking for a way to find out how to get away,” said Murphy, who worked at a Reno casino to pay the bills while Garrido tried to launch a musical career. “He’d always told me he’d find me wherever.“
Murphy said that when she was finally able to escape, Garrido “found me.”
“He pulled up, turned around and forced me back into the car,” she said, in part one of the Inside Edition interview that airs Monday night.
Calling Garrido a “good manipulator” and a “monster,” Murphy said she was relieved when Garrido was sentenced to 50 years in prison in 1976 for kidnapping and raping another woman.
Murphy, who remarried and is now a mother a four, said she had no idea Garrido had been released early and reacted with disgust after he was arrested for turning Dugard into a sex slave and fathering her two daughters.
“It makes me sick to my stomach,” she said. “He’s pretty much capable of anything.”
Cops Searched the Home but Didn’t See Compound
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, August 28, 2009
Garrido’s luck held in July of last year, when a multiagency task force in Contra Costa County searched his home as part of a sexual offender compliance check, officials said. He had a string of offenses dating back to 1971 and was a registered sex offender on parole in California.
I WONDER HOW MANY AGENCIES IT TAKES NOT TO CHECK OUT A MAN REPORTED FOR HAVING LITTLE GIRLS IN THE BACK YARD (??)
Police, however, had been told about the backyard lair before, according to a former neighbor.
Erika Pratt said that two years ago, she called police after seeing what looked like a living compound with tents and sheds.
No warrant
Sheriff’s deputies came to ask questions, Pratt said, but they told her that because they didn’t have a warrant, they couldn’t search the house.
“I always wished someone could do something about it,” Pratt said. “It was like he was charging people to live there.”
Sheriff’s spokesman Jimmy Lee confirmed that his agency had dealt with Garrido before, but he was not able to provide details.
“We need to investigate it further to determine what that contact was,” Lee said.
OTHER SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR:
Criminal probe
At the time of the sex offender task force’s check last year, Garrido was the subject of a criminal probe that began in 2008 and had nothing to do with sex crimes.
Aguinaga said Garrido was suspected of bilking an elderly neighbor out of his life savings. A complaint was lodged on the man’s behalf when he moved to Friendship Residential Care in Antioch, Aguinaga said.
The elder care home relayed allegations that from late 2007 to March 2008, Garrido swindled Dilbert “Jack” Medieros, now 79, of nearly $18,000. In the end, prosecutors cited insufficient evidence in declining to file charges in April.
Garrido told police that Medieros had given him money to help start a church. He also told investigators that he had known Medieros for years and took him places such as the zoo.
Which others were complicit in her torment?
Details of Jaycee’s torment have been beamed around the world. Yet according to his neighbour, the full, awful truth about what really took place here might be worse than imagined – far worse.
For with FBI agents now digging-up Creepy Phil’s backyard and exploring his neighbour’s property, Mr Rogers shudders at the memory of the sounds he heard when it was ‘party time’ next door.
Mr Rogers says ‘perverts’ in the area were regularly invited over by Garrido for sex, beer and drug parties and that the Garrido home was, in effect, being used as a brothel.
{{Mr. Rogers also, naturally, tells why he didn’t report this and was not involved.}}
As details of this dark and troubling story slowly come to light, the question that America is asking itself above all others is: how on Earth was Garrido able to carry out his despicable crimes in the heart of suburban California, without anyone noticing – and for 18 years?
{{Despicable crimes happen in respectable neighborhoods all the time. What TYPE may vary with neighborhood. Or maybe not so much — ask any victim of domestic violence how it went and how SHE got out. All it takes is enough people to figure out someone else will report it, and enough enablers. }}
Worse still, could others have known what was taking place there – and even been complicit in Jaycee’s torment?
Certainly, Walnut Avenue is a grubby, primitive and predominantly white area. Many of the homes are little more than wooden shacks with children playing in the dirt outside.
Drug and alcohol addiction are widespread; back yards are littered with cars and fridges. Astonishingly, the area is home to 144 rapists and paedophiles.
‘People here live off the grid,’ says one local police source. ‘That means they use drugs, don’t pay taxes and never pay their bills. They live as they want to – and pay no attention to anyone else. And everyone who lives here is very happy with that arrangement.’
The surrounding streets offer another insight into Garrido’s twisted mindset as he held two generations hostage for his own sexual gratification. As darkness fell on Saturday, people scurried from dusty yard to yard, buying and selling crystal meth.
Highly addictive and responsible for making users’ teeth fall out in a syndrome known as ‘meth mouth’, crystal meth, also known as crank, is an amphetamine which has swept the U.S. Experts say users experience unstoppable sexual urges.
Locals say Garrido, who had previously been addicted to LSD, was a ‘tweaker’ – the slang word for crystal meth addicts, whose habit leads to characteristic spasms of twitching – and that he was also reputed to ‘cook’ the raw materials for crystal meth in an old van in his garden. This ‘laboratory’ reportedly exploded last month. Again, neighbours did not call police.
One man:
Smacking girlfriend around, trying to gouge her eye out (possessive jealousy), stalking/kidnapping, kidnapping and raping again, being let out (being let OUT?), kidnapping and raping again, and again. In the context, drug use, and did I mention financial elder abuse?
Is this enough cause to take violence against women SERIOUSLY? Or is it really OK to dominate a woman by whatever means necessary. Look at what goes with it. Look what kind of characters need to do this.
I said I was having a hard time with this post, and I am. Because while Philip was not biologically related to the girl he kidnapped, THIS one was:
Man who assaulted daughter, fathered her children is sentenced
Lindolfo Thibes, formerly of Los Angeles, gets 109 years to life for physically and sexually abusing his daughter for two decades. The case came to light when he stabbed her in Las Vegas.
By Jack Leonard
April 18, 2009
The emergency call came in as a domestic violence assault: A man had stabbed his girlfriend in the parking lot of a Las Vegas hospital.
But as detectives began to investigate, they unearthed a dark family secret. The suspect was not the victim’s boyfriend but her father, who had been sexually assaulting her for nearly two decades and had fathered her three children.
The assaults, the victim told authorities, started when she was 6 years old and living in Los Angeles. She said her father, a martial arts instructor, threatened to kill her if she told anyone and kept her a prisoner at home, monitoring her movements using surveillance cameras and delivering fierce beatings during paranoid rages.
On Friday, the daughter, now 29, sat silently in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom as a judge sentenced Lindolfo Thibes to prison for 109 years to life in what police describe as the most heinous case of child abuse they had encountered.
As her father was led away in handcuffs, the woman wept quietly and embraced her younger brother, who she said was also a victim of beatings by their father.
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At that rate: 109 years — judging by Garrido’s case, he should be out in 22.
The victim told investigators that the abuse began in the mid-1980s when she and her father were alone in the house. Her mother worked nights and eventually moved out of the home to be a home healthcare provider. (The mother could not be reached for comment.)
Children need their fathers. ALL children need their fathers. No matter who the father. LEt me get this again: ALL children need their fathers the major crisis of our times is fatherlessness. Children who don’t live with their father are more likely to grow up and have awful problems and engage in crime. The federal government should make sure that more fathers get MORE access to their children.
Keep saying that, so you feel better, maybe you’ll really be able to believe this sooner or later, and incidents like this are ALL fabrications. CHILDREN need their fathers. Not necessarily their mothers (judging by the courts), but certainly their FATHERS. MOTHERS are optional, FATHERS are not. (keep trying, I know you can get it right). This applies even when their fathers have a need to dominate women by assaulting them, whether for sex, religion, or just because it’s fun. Children need their fathers
Her father, the woman told authorities, plied her with alcohol and marijuana from the age of 8. {{Concurrent with the incest}} She said she was pulled out of school in sixth grade and estimated that she was sexually assaulted about 10 times a week, according to law enforcement records.
In an interview with The Times, the woman said her father rigged the family’s West Adams home with surveillance cameras inside and out. Under her bed, she said, were motion detectors that set off an alarm when she got up.
As a teenager, she was forbidden to leave the house alone. Her father often grew paranoid and accused her of trying to escape or of secretly meeting boys. Enraged, he would beat her and her brother on their feet with a baseball bat, she said.
She feared deportation if she reported the abuse, she said, but was also terrified of the consequences if authorities did not believe her.
He said he “would kill me if he ever got his hands on me if I ever told,” she said. “He used to tell me he was going to cut my head off.”
At 17, she gave birth to her first child. For years, she said, her oldest daughter was her only friend. The moments they shared playing with the girl’s toys or watching television offered small but important comforts during her life with her father. There were also times, she said, when she and her father played video games or watched movies together.“I would use little happy thoughts to keep me going,” she said.
Her father, she said, grew fearful that her brother had told police about abuse at the home and fled to Las Vegas in 2003, taking her and her children. They lived in a motel, where, she said, Thibes told others that she was his girlfriend.
In April 2005, he stabbed her twice in the chest with a 10-inch kitchen knife, police records show. In interviews with police, he described her at various times as his wife, girlfriend or daughter.
The woman said she told hospital workers about the abuse once her father had been arrested and she knew her children were safe in custody.
SHE COULDN’T SAFELY REPORT UNTIL SHE KNEW HER FATHER WAS IN JAIL
THESE POLICE ACTUALLY ARRESTING FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SAVED THIS WOMAN AND HER CHILDREN FROM FURTHER SEXUAL ASSAULTS, BEATINGS, AND A LIFE OF FEAR, A NIGHTMARE.
Again, among these elements listed above were: Kidnapping, (more than once) rape, domestic violence, need to dominate women for sexual fulfilment, elder abuse (financial), stalking, jealousy, and use of drugs with sex, living off the grid, and possibly pimping out young women to the neighborhood. When they weren’t also working for him (Jaycee Dugard also helped with his printing business, it came out).
Oh yes, and in the case of Garrido, being inexplicably let out of jail early (anyone heard why yet?), and inexplicably not caught by multiagency task forces whose responsibility was to monitor.
Musta been because they were in an “unincorporated area” of Antioch.
What about when one parent is in a family court litigation? OH, well, that’s an ENTIRELY different matter, and the: Kidnapping, history of violence, obsessive jealousy, living off the grid, stalking, and financial elder abuse no longer apply. Let us convene some more experts to see which is the better parent, and how they can do 50/50 parenting, and ask a few psychological experts to evaluate how dangerous that one doing the: kidnapping, stalking, living largely off the grid, and in general refusing to obey the law, really is. Does that REALLY impact the children growing up?
Based on too many cases I know, including (case in point) mine, supposedly not.
Now you know why I’m having a hard time with this one.
Let’s compare who let Garrido out (what system, which people) with the ones in Toms River, NJ 2009 (and same county, 2008) that resulted in murder/suicide shortly after release, with another one that’s an accident about to happen I read about in Connecticut recently: Fiance comes at his wife with a ball bat in disguise, they marry, and she finds out later. When the facts are out, he is still released on $50,000 bail.
Oh yeah, and he was a town alderman — I suppose that was irrelevant.
Police: Connecticut town official was masked man who attacked fiancee days before wedding
ANSONIA, Conn. (AP) — A public official wearing a mask attacked his fiancee inside their Connecticut home four days before their wedding, throwing a blanket over her, hitting her with a baseball bat and running out the back door, police said.
Keith Maynard, an Ansonia town alderman who has since resigned, was arraigned Thursday afternoon in Superior Court and released on $50,000 bail. He declined to comment to reporters as he left the hearing.
What the hell kind of bail is that?
Maynard has been charged with second-degree assault, first-degree unlawful restraint and first-degree reckless endangerment.
Police say the woman, now Maynard’s wife, came home July 1 to find a masked man inside the house. She was treated for minor abrasions after the attack.
“I love my husband more than anything and to know that five days later was my wedding and he could do that and go through with the wedding. I was very surprised,” Ida Maynard told reporters outside the courthouse.
The judge ordered Maynard to stay away from the house so Ida Maynard can live there. He was also ordered to turn over any firearms, though his lawyer, John Kelly, said he did not believe Maynard had any.
Was he just getting off on the ball bat attack, or was there some other motive involved? Was this foreplay? Preliminary to finding out how much abuse she was going to put with during marriage? Is any protective order in place? It’s kind of a half-baked article, there, eh?

He works for Department of Transportation. Well, he’s on “paid administrative leave” at this time.
(Article has considerable more detail & link to arrest warrant, too: they’d dated 6 years, another woman possibly involved at time of attack, his wife had a son. )
Blume said nothing in Maynard’s personality indicated he was capable of any kind of violence.
Can we yet face it, most of us are not THAT good judges of personality? And psychological profile doesn’t of itself determine whether or not there’s been violence.
“Even if we argued, he never raised his voice. Here’s a guy who is just a nice, quiet individual who just did his job,” Blume said. “I don’t know what to say. I’m speechless, and I’m never speechless.”
Myth: quiet people don’t engage in violence. Work face is similar to at home face.
I’ve known him,” Della Volpe said. “He was a good public servant. But I certainly don’t condone domestic violence. . .Obviously this is a sad day for our community.”
Maynard was a supervisor for the state Department of Transportation. He has been on the Board of Alderman for 10 years, and had been nominated by the Democratic Town Committee to run for another term.
Board of Alderman President Stephen Blume said Maynard was an “excellent Alderman” who took all of his responsibilities seriously.
“I’m shocked by the news. I feel sorry for the woman who had to go through this,” Blume said.
Maynard resigned from the Board of Alderman Wednesday night. The board is expected to accept the resignation at its next meeting.
Police Chief Kevin Hale said he was also saddened by the news, but said it was an example of how the police department doggedly investigates domestic violence matters.
Yes they certainly do. They investigated, and someone else released the obviously disturbed and dangerous fellow, and thanks to being on PAID administrative leave (something many women don’t get ~ ~ in fact, never met anyone that got anything from a “Victims of Crime” fund ever as to DV ~ ~ when I was being battered, or had crimes committed against me that caused work loss-es) What’s more, the bail has released this man, and his attorney doesn’t think he has weapons (not including baseball bats?).
Why don’t they give Ida Maynard a baseball bat and some mace?
Sorry, folks, I probably shouldn’t write about incidents a little too close to home. No, I am NOT reassured about my kids at this point, and one is in college presently, too. I’m a little worried about their current value system, seeing as the court has put them in the custody of an identified batterer (same County/City) despite repeated police involvement repeated infractions of custody order, stalking, failure to respect child support orders (the most obvious), some really odd explanations for why, counter-accusations that I was a flight risk when I had no means to get away and had significant professional involvement right here, and other kind of delusional reports.
Oh yes — and when they’d just been in essence kidnapped!
WHY do people kidnap? To protect? Or to guard against reporting? Or when the kidnapping is to avoid a child support arrears, when it was set fairly low (if below welfare levels is any indicator), or to “dominate a woman” which is already on the record. Every single indicator of some severe personality problems is already on the record, and the local enforcment, won’t?
Is it just because they’re too busy investigating more serious cases, like they did with Jaycee Dugard the first (several) times problems were reported, above? Or is there another reason?
What’s happening to all these kids getting custody switches in the family law venue?
If I get a parking ticket (and I confess I have), I haven’t noticed prosecution lacking in the matter. What about these serious crimes to society?
Why does family law not take these same behaviors when an actual parent is involved, seriously? Does shared DNA mean they aren’t crimes? Did it for Phil Garrido — after all, the 11 year old and 15 year old, WERE biologically his children. He was their father…
A batterer, stalker, kidnapper, or man obsessed with a former, OVER WITH relationship, or a man not willing to live on the grid, who then again intentionally crossing the criminal line again after being confronted ONCE is a danger signal.
The reports are already out on abduction risk factors in high-conflict custody, and they are all being stoutly ignored, too.
Now, the landscape is changed. We are into lawlessness in the relationship, and one parent is supposed to just “deal with it” and pretend that her instincts are “off” and the courts are “on” the mark. Maybe a few more parenting classes will assuage that gut instinct and make it go away; that’s the typical family law response, when there’s money in the family.
When there’s not, then the idea is to prolong the litigation, but bring in government-paid professionals instead.
There’s money in the mix somewhere, for sure and there was, I bet, in Jaycee’s years of torture, too, perpetrator and enablers alike.
It takes that village, and we’ve got one for sure, nationwide, we do.

