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GALs, have Feelings, Too (Part 2 — Notes on the Mom she Sued for Defamation about Fees)

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[In updating blog Table of Contents, April 2016, I added the first link / image, and cleaned up some of the table formatting below, as well as added tags//Let’s Get Honest].
How Not Returning a Phone Call can Lead to a Lawsuit” (In Examiner.com, 8/5/2012), some of the context….

“Why accept an apology and correction when I can sue?” Benicia Baker-Livorski’s facebook page [from 8/5/2012 Examiner.com article viewed 4/15/2016]


 

  • Benicia Baker-Livorsi (GAL)
  • Lisa Payne-Naeger (mother) + first Michael Todt (atty), then Joel B. Eisenstein
  • Jeffrey Payne-Naeger (father) + (he seems to stick with one attorney), Deborah Jean Tomich

SOME PEOPLE TAKE NOTES AND KEEP PAPER FILES, CATEGORIZED.  (YOU WISH….).  AND SOME, LIKE ME, KEEP THESE NOTES ON A PUBLIC BLOG, FOR “FYI” INFORMATION ON THE ROAD THROUGH A DIVORCE .  IN THIS CASE, APPARENTLY THE HIGH ROAD (MEANING, I DON’T SEE WELFARE INVOLVEMENT HERE — THE GANG’S ALL THERE:

By January 2010, they have a JUDGMENT: You can read all this stuff, and be reassured that – It’s Not the Official Court Record!

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0811-FC00143 – JEFFREY M NAEGER V LISA E PAYNE NAEGER
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Date: 01/04/2010 Description: Judgment on Dissolution Against: NAEGER, JEFFREY M
Amount of Judgment: see text Date of Satisfaction: not yet on file
Text: MARRIAGE DISSOLVED. PETITIONER TO PAY RESPONDENT $1,262.00 PER MONTH FOR CHILD SUPPORT FOR 2 CHILDREN; WHEN 1 CHILD ELIGIBLE $876.00 PER MONTH. PETITIONER TO PAY RESPONDENT $3,500.00 PER MONTH FOR MODIFIABLE MAINTENANCE. PETITIONER TO PAY JOEL EISENSTEIN $10,000.00 FOR A PORTION OF RESPONDENT’S ATTORNEY’S FEES. JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,084.00 IS JOINTLY AGAINST THE PARTIES FOR REMAINING BALANCE OF GUARDIAN AD LITEM FEES TO BENICIA BAKER LIVORSI. BETWEEN THE PARTIES THE COURT ATTRIBUTES THIS OBLIGATION $4,000.00 TO THE PETITIONER AND $1,084.00 TO THE RESPONDENT. COURT COSTS TO BE PAID FROM FILING FEE DEPOSIT FROM PETITIONER. SEE JUDGMENT FOR FURTHER DETAILS. (CASE GIVEN TO CHILD SUPPORT ON 1/4/10)
Next Judgment
Date: 01/04/2010 Description: Judgment on Dissolution Against: PAYNE-NAEGER, LISA E
Amount of Judgment: see text Date of Satisfaction: not yet on file
Text: MARRIAGE DISSOLVED. PETITIONER TO PAY RESPONDENT $1,262.00 PER MONTH FOR CHILD SUPPORT FOR 2 CHILDREN; WHEN 1 CHILD ELIGIBLE $876.00 PER MONTH. PETITIONER TO PAY RESPONDENT $3,500.00 PER MONTH FOR MODIFIABLE MAINTENANCE. PETITIONER TO PAY JOEL EISENSTEIN $10,000.00 FOR A PORTION OF RESPONDENT’S ATTORNEY’S FEES. JUDGMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,084.00 IS JOINTLY AGAINST THE PARTIES FOR REMAINING BALANCE OF GUARDIAN AD LITEM FEES TO BENICIA BAKER LIVORSI. BETWEEN THE PARTIES THE COURT ATTRIBUTES THIS OBLIGATION $4,000.00 TO THE PETITIONER AND $1,084.00 TO THE RESPONDENT. COURT COSTS TO BE PAID FROM FILING FEE DEPOSIT FROM PETITIONER. SEE JUDGMENT FOR FURTHER DETAILS. (CASE GIVEN TO CHILD SUPPORT ON 1/4/10)

CASE GIVEN TO CHILD SUPPORT.  “LET THE GAMES BEGIN!” ….

MEDIATOR

MOM’S ATTORNEY IS CHANGED

CUSTODY EVALUATOR (FOR EVERYONE), GAL, PFA (DAD vs. Mom), and so forth.  What’s also interesting is that a few years earlier, SHE filed for divorce, and for some reason it was dismissed. )

Dad sues for legal custody and to remove the children from the jurisdiction (a private school seems to be involved)

After “the whole nine yards” of a single divorce, Mom complains about GAL fees, and is sued for it.

MICHAEL WADE, DIRECTOR OF ADMISSIONS OF BARAT ACADEMY WAS SERVED ON JUNE 18, 2009, FILED. DG
06/26/2009 Order
ORDER THAT MOTHER AND FATHER SHALL ALLOW THE GAL TO INSPECT THE HOME UPON REASONABLE NOTICE; FATHER SHALL BRING THE CHILDREN TO THE GAL’S OFFICE AT SCHEDULED TIME FOR APPOINTMENT; GAL’S MOTION TO STRIKE MOTHER’S EXPERTS DENIED AT THIS TIME AND THE PARTIES SHALL ARRANGE A TELEPHONE DEPOSITION OF MOTHER’S EXPERTS AS PER MEMO. RZ

Sickeningly familiar territory:

06/19/2009 Hearing Scheduled
     Associated Entries: 06/26/2009 – Order   
     Scheduled For: 06/26/2009;  9:00 AM ;  RICHARD KEVIN ZERR;  St Charles Circuit Div
Notice of Hearing Filed
RE: GAL’S MOTION FOR ASSESSMENT FOR THEREPEUTIC SUPERVISED VISITATION AND MOTION TO COMPEL MOTION TO PERMIT ACCESS TO THE CHILDREN AND MOTION TO STRIKE MOTHER’S EXPERT ON JUNE 26, 2009
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
Motion Filed
GAL’S MOTION FOR ASSESSMENT FOR THEREPEUTIC SUPERVISED VISITATION AND MOTION TO COMPEL MOTION TO PERMIT ACCESS TO THE CHILDREN AND MOTION TO STRIKE MOTHER’S EXPERT, FILED. DG
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
Certificate of Service
RESPONDENT’S ANSWERS TO GUARDIAN AD LITEM’S REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS DIRECTED TO RESPONDENT WERE HAND DELIVERED TO BENICIA BAKER-LIVORSI, GAL, FILED. DG
     Filed By: JOEL B EISENSTEIN

Change of attorney for mother:

01/08/2009 Order
ORDER THAT MICHAEL C. TODT WITHDRAWS AS ATTORNEY FOR RESPONDENT AND JOEL B. EISENSTEIN ENTERS HIS APPEARANCE AS ATTORNEY FOR RESPONDENT AS PER MEMO. RZ

GAL gets sick in Oct 2008 and asks for trial to be rescheduled to Feb. 2009:

Hearing Continued/Rescheduled
ORDER REMOVING FROM TRIAL SETTING OF OCT. 29 AND 30TH, 2008 DUE TO ILLNESS OF GUARDIAN AD LITEM AND THE INABILITY TO COMPLETE DISCOVERY PRIOR TO THE TRIAL DATE BECAUSE OF ILLNESS AND RESET FOR TRIAL ON FEB. 23, 2009 AND FEB. 24, 2009 AS #1 SETTING AS PER MEMO. RZ
     Hearing Continued From: 10/29/2008;  9:01 AM Trial Setting
Motion for Continuance
OF TRIAL DATE, FILED. JG
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
10/13/2008 Motion for Continuance
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI

of Course, Custodial Evaluations by “Dr. Gordon,” all round, and Dad pay the GAL $3,000 extra, please!

07/23/2008 Order
JUDGMENT/ORDER THAT PARTIES AND EACH CHILD TO BE EVALUATED BY DR. GORDON; PETITIONER TO PAY FOR EVALUATIONS; PETITIONER SHALL BE ENTITLED TO TAKE THE CHILDREN FOR 7 CONSECUTIVE DAYS; PETITIONER TO PAY GAL AN ADDITIONAL FEE OF $3000.00 WITHIN 30 DAYS; NEITHER PARENT SHALL DISCUSS THIS CASE WITH THE CHILDREN; PARENTS AND EVALUATOR SHALL HAVE ACCESS TO RECORDS AS PE RMEMO. RZ
07/17/2008 Notice of Hearing Filed
RE: GAL’S MOTIONS ON JULY 23, 2008
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
Motion Filed
GAL’S MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL FEES ON DEPOSIT, FILED. DG
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
Motion Filed
GAL’S MOTION FOR PSYCHOLOGICAL AND CUSTODIAL EVALUATION OF PARTIES AND CHILDREN, FILED. DG
     Filed By: BENICIA ANN BAKER-LIVORSI
07/07/2008 Notice of Hearing Filed
RE: PETITIONER’S REQUEST FOR PERMISSION TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THE JURISDICTION AND REQUEST FOR LEGAL CUSTODY AS IT PERTAINS TO EDUCATIONSL DECISIONS PENDENTE LITE ON JULY 23, 2008
     Filed By: DEBORAH JEAN TOMICH
Request Filed
PETITIONER’S REQUEST FOR PERMISSION TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM THE JURISDICTION AND REQUEST FOR LEGAL CUSTODY AS IT PERTAINS TO EDUCATIONSL DECISIONS PENDENTE LITE, FILED. DG
     Filed By: JEFFREY M NAEGER
04/09/2008 Ord and Notice of Mediation
PARTIES TO COMPLETE MEDIATION BY JUNE 1, 2008. STEVEN B. HILLEMANN APPOINTED AS MEDIATOR. COPIES OF THE ORDER MAILED TO COUNSEL AND PARTIES AND MEDIATOR. CH
03/14/2008 Order Appointing GAL
JUDGMENT APPOINTING BENICIA BAKER-LIVORSI AS GUARDIAN AD LITEM AND PETITIONER TO PAY $2,000.00 FOR GAL FEES AS PER MEMO. RZ COPY MAILED TO GAL ON 3/14/08 JG
Order
JUDGMENT ON PROTECTIVE ORDER AS PER MEMO. RZ

This is Dad on Mom — he is the Petitioner for a Protective Order:

03/13/2008 Parent Education Complete
     Filed By: JEFFREY M NAEGER
Notice of Hearing Filed
RE: PETITIONER’S MOTION TO SHORTEN TIME AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER ON MARCH 14, 2008
     Filed By: DEBORAH JEAN TOMICH
Motion Filed
PETITIONER’S MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER, FILED. DG

Before filing a Protective Order, Dad requests a GAL:

Request Filed
PETITIONER’S REQUEST FOR GAL, FILED. DG
     Filed By: JEFFREY M NAEGER

Baker-Livorsi claims Retka then forwarded the article to  ParentAdvocates.org, which Baker-Livorsi describes as a group devoted to bashing divorce lawyers. She says that group reposted the article and accused her of participating in judicial corruption.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~This family law group, LLC seems to be suing, a lot. — I’ll blog it (case dockets won’t fit here).

See, GALs have feelings, too . . . . . see courthousenews.com:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/08/03/48969.htm

ST. LOUIS (CN) – An attorney claims in court that Missouri Lawyer’s Weekly defamed him by grossly overstating how much she charged to serve as guardian ad litem in a family court case.
     Benicia Baker-Livorski and The Family Law Group [[see below]] sued Missouri Lawyer’s Weekly and Lisa E. Payne-Naeger, in City Court.

Payne-Naeger’s (the MOM’s)  attorney requested a guardian ad litem be appointed in Payne-Naeger’s divorce case, and Baker-Livorski was appointed, according to the complaint.
Missouri Lawyer’s Weekly reported that Payne-Naeger told it Baker-Livorski had charged $80,000 to be guardian ad litem, but she charged only $10,000, Baker-Livorski says in her complaint.

The weekly’s Sept. 27, 2011 article was written by Allison Retka, who is not a party to this complaint, Baker-Livorski says.
Prior to publishing the article, Allison Retka never verified the information that plaintiff Benicia Baker-Livorsi earned $80,000 as a GAL in a single case,” the complaint states. “She did not verify it through plaintiff Benicia Baker-Livorsi herself, the attorney for defendant Lisa Payne-Naeger (Joel Eisenstein), the attorney for the husband (Deborah Tomich), or, through Missouri Case.Net itself **- which is readily available to any member of the public and specifically states the amount of fees earned through the docket entries.”

[[*”Note: Remember that Case.net will only return information open to the public.”]]

Baker-Livorsi claims Retka then forwarded the article to ParentAdvocates.org, which Baker-Livorsi describes as a group devoted to bashing divorce lawyers. She says that group reposted the article and accused her of participating in judicial corruption.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~This family law group, LLC seems to be suing, a lot. — I’ll blog it (case dockets won’t fit here).

all results read:   “This information is provided as a service and is not considered an official court record.”

(you can search by name on the site)
Date: 01/04/2011 Description: Judgment Entered Against: BAKER-LIVORSI, BENECIA
Amount of Judgment: $13,507.53 Date of Satisfaction: not yet on file
Text: JUDGMENT TRANSCRIBED FROM ST CHARLES COUNTY CASE NO 1011-CV04683.

ANOTHER ONE:

Judgment
Date: 03/19/2012 Description: Judgment Entered Against: MANDAGARAN, VALERIE A
Amount of Judgment: $1,668.23 Date of Satisfaction: not yet on file
Text: DEFAULT JUDGMENT IN FAVOR OF PLAINTIFF(S) AND AGAINST DEFENDANT(S) IN THE AMOUNT OF $918.75 PRINCIPAL, $349.48 INTEREST, $400.00 ATTORNEY FEES, $1,668.23 TOTAL PLUS COURT COSTS. SAID JUDGMENT TO BEAR INTEREST AT THE RATE OF 12.00% FROM AND AFTER THE DATE OF ENTRY OF JUDGMENT
THIS APPARENTLY ($1,668.23) WAS FOR Valerie’s previous divorce (without children) from a Douglas L. Effert who was (it seems) supposed to be sending her $600 a month.  WOW divorces without children are simpler !!!
MANDAGARAN, VALERIE A 10L6-FC00228  Petitioner VALERIE A EIFFERT V DOUGLAS L EIFFERT FC Dissolution- w/o Children 08/31/2010
TROY, MO Circuit 45 Lincoln Associate/Circuit Divisions

This “Valerie Mandagaran” has something re: Diego Mandagaran, so I looked him up (after noticing that one of his entries had his first name spelled “DEIGO” which would make it harder to locate (or not show up on a name search).  So, he pled guilty to statutory rape — the charge is 11/26/1997 which tells me right around a THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY — was sentenced 5 years and (naturally) was out within about a year.  I could be wrong — looks like something oin10/20/97 got consolidated or moved to something (same or different criminal charge?) on 11/26/1997 — I DNK….

Address on File Circuit County Location
MANDAGARAN, DIEGO GERMAN 11R019702536  Defendant ST V DIEGO GERMAN MANDAGARAN Criminal/Infract.-see Charges 10/20/1997
SAINT CHARLES, MO Circuit 11 St. Charles Criminal Associate Division
MANDAGARAN, DIEGO GERMAN 11R019702536-01  Defendant ST V DIEGO GERMAN MANDAGARAN Criminal/Infract.-see Charges 11/26/1997
SAINT CHARLES, MO Circuit 11 St. Charles Circuit Division
Displaying thru 2 of 2 records returned for parties with a name or alias of MANDAGARAN, for Criminal case types in ALL court locations.

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So, look at the date of divorce (Valerie vs. this guy) (BEFORE convicted of statutory rape….)

Just for the record — Prisoners are a commoditiy in the larger economy as well, you have no idea….

Naeger divorce was a homeschooling high-profiler, but as the divorce seems to have happened with the kids were 14 and 16 …More at SCRANTON PT forum, under “federal lawsuit against AOC” (under lackawanna Family Court).

MISSOURI: Lisa Payne-Naeger on Divorce and the home-schooled kid

Ms. Payne-Naeger and her husband Jeff are in the St. Charles Missouri Superior Court seeking a divorce. At issue, among other things, is Ms. Payne-Naeger’s right to continue to home-school the children. She has apparently been home-schooling them for several years, but now that they are divorcing, her husband wants them pulled from her jurisdiction, and placed in a private school.

The children in question are teenagers, a boy and a girl, 16 and 14 years old respectively.

The law guardian (the attorney for the children) wants the mother to submit to tests to test her competence as a teacher. I wonder why after nine years he suddenly decides that his wife is incompetent at educating the children at home? Why did he wait till now that they are divorcing to raise this issue?

This family seems to have some affluence . . . .

 

“THE FAMILY LAW GROUP, LLC” that (with Ms. Baker-Livorsi) is suing Ms. Payne-Naeger is, in fact, Ms. Livorsi.  (wh

 

It’s an LLC formed in 2003.  I don’t know how often people have to file in Missouri — but this shows only ONE corporate filing.  Perhaps the LLC isn’t making enough to have to file a return???

Date: 8/7/2012  Filed Documents
(Click above to view filed documents that are available.)
Business Name History


Name Name Type
THE FAMILY LAW GROUP L.L.C. Legal

Limited Liability Company – Domestic – Information
Charter Number: LC0082566
Status: Active
Entity Creation Date: 4/28/2003
State of Business.: MO
Expiration Date: Perpetual

Registered Agent
Agent Name: BENICIA LIVORSI
Office Address: 433 JACKSON ST.
ST. CHARLES MO 63301
Mailing Address:

Organizers
Name: BENICIA LIVORSI
Address: 433 JACKSON ST.
ST. CHARLES MO 6330

 

 

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  1. This post was not ready for publishing. I’ve had some problems returning it to draft and will try again tomorrow . . . LGH….

    Let's Get Honest

    August 7, 2012 at 12:24 am

  2. Very Nice!

    JM

    August 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    • she does this to everyone its how she makes big money…by making your divorce take forever and putting you through hell and back then making you pay her money…The state im sure pays her as well. I have the amount also that me and my ex had to pay her so she would “LET US GET DIVORCED” I call it legal lawyer bribary and it should be illegal and she should be disbarred!!! did she also want coustody of your daughter as well you should look into that !!! You will never be able to do anything to her because she is a lawyer and the courts will protect her even if she is wrong…My kids still hate her to this day!!!

      meme

      June 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm

  3. You are not alone she did this to me also…i also had to pay her what I call legal bribery and the sum is in my divorce papers not to mention I had to go through horrible four to be exact …psyc exams because even though I did not have any charges against me they wanted to prove me insane…it did not work by the way…the div was dragged out more than two years and the cost was more than a beautiful house…my dad even had to get a lawyer but they stopped insinuating when I told them I would take a lie detector test and fly my real mom down here to prove him innocent….no charges were ever filed against him either now or before ….st Charles dfs is corrupt and needs to be looked at.. They specifically go after women even though they have no charges against them and make them feel like criminals….they drag out cases to make money and put you through legal abuse…if you can’t afford a lawyer you loose everything…st Charles mo hates women and do not protect their interests

    yvonne dexter

    June 30, 2013 at 8:05 am

    • From blog author:

      I’m not from Pennsylvania and obviously look up situations in many different states. This is an older post, and I don’t even remember its exact contents at this time.

      I published both comments here, however for the readers’ information (which readers wouldn’t otherwise know), they came under different usernames from the same email address. They are both approved (no other reason not to), however don’t be misled to believe that one commenter is talking to the other, unless it’s two different individuals with access to again, the same email account.

      This multiple-persona factor is common enough, but was particularly notable in the Scranton Political Times, where I hang out and wrote for a LONG time (Nov. 2011ff) until one time I quit in disgust, then re-engaged, and eventually (not too long after discovering and beginning to post about financial matters //CAFRs on non-family law topics) was then thrown off, with at least the commentary (last I looked (still up there).

      Anyhow, meme, yvonne — this blog is what it says — an Uncommon Analysis of the Operations and Practices of Family and Conciliation Courts. It’s a resource you might want to look at a little further, including its links. Have a nice day. (If the divorce, FYI, was only two years, you’re either one of the lucky ones, or just starting. The courts apparently retain jurisdiction over all kids until they are age of majority anyhow, and jurisdiction over YOU, depending on who you are, if you do ANY business with your own government, through the tax code and much more. For what thats worth…. If you understand the courts as business operations, to retain and protect profits for government units, then you better understand their real purposes.

      They’ve invested heavily in the family arena because it’s almost impossible to live, eat, sleep, and function in this country without some dealings with a family. If you don’t have dealings with families — because you HAVE no living family — then the state will continue to have some influence over you IF you are not self-sufficient in any manner. If you are being sustained or helped in any manner by a religious community which is a 501(c)3 corporation called a “church” (etc.), per IRS code, then it has special tax-exempt privileges normal nonprofits do NOT — and these will influence when the church does, or does NOT, protect individuals in it from the things that tend to help cause divorces — violence, abuse (of a spouse or child), abandonment, or extreme mental cruelty etc (formerly among the causes for “divorce.”)

      So I suggest to focus on looking at the source of the issues, which fundamentally lies outside whoever it is you are fighting IN the courts. Look at the venue — what are those courts about, what are they doing? How’d you get in there? It takes some serious reflection.

      Let's Get Honest

      June 30, 2013 at 1:55 pm

      • My court case is done and over…i am able to follow my dreams I will be a nurse in one year…i want enough evidence to file against her when I get through with school…i want her disbarred for her pratices

        yvonne dexter

        June 30, 2013 at 5:20 pm

      • My court case was over years ago and done!! Sorry maby I did not mention this. I side with Naegler and she has contacted me as well. Maby because we had the same ad litem hired by the state Mrs. Benicia Baker Livorisi and the same unfair treatment by DFS. My goal is to find others that have had this happen to them and get together against Mrs Livorisi and DFS in St Charles Mo!! Someone in Orange County just won a huge law suit over this kind of mistreatment!! When I am finished with my nursing degree I want to file a lawsuit against them for abuse of me and my kids ….The anguish they caused me and the cost and financial hardship that I have had to go through!! DFS oversteps their grounds and does not care about human rights and Livorisi is the same what …I saw her at Walmart one time during my divorce and she make innuendo’s that I was insane and she did this after a court trial in front of my lawyer!! She is cruel if she dose not like you and I believe that is a form of abuse!!

        meme

        July 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm

  4. She charges everyone exuberant fees and charges all parties with being mental and forces them to go through psych testing I had to four times because she hated me and so did dfs because I stood up for myself and my dad… If u can’t pay them or a lawyer u the innocent party will loose ur kids to dfs or her….she told my lawyer we had to give her money again or she would not sign our divorce papers…i think we paid her more than u and we are not supposed to legally pay her fees….we did not hirer her….she dose not do what is in the best interest of children…she wants lengthy trial and money from you….u do not want too see what me and my ex had to pay for legal fees psych exams…doctors…and their bullcrap…u could buy a really expensive home …they should be repremended and charged for such tactics it should be illegal…benicia should not have a license in my opinion

    yvonne dexter

    June 30, 2013 at 5:16 pm

  5. just to fyi and let you know livorsi charged us 2000 or 2500 each around the middle of the trial years and then it is written in my actual divorce an amout of 15000 to be split and paid by both parties making the grandparents also liable if we do not pay her! I was told by my lawyer that If we did not pay her she would not sign the coustody agreement. She did not care what is said or entailed she just wanted money. She continually complained to other lawyers involved that she was not making enough money from the state to pay for her time. She does not represent the kids….she just wants to make money!!! She is a horrible person! I found out from my ex husband that Livorsi stated to lawyers involved that she wanted to adopt/ foster my little girl. She wanted my son in the custody of the state!! She has now adopted or is fostering a little girl…I wonder whos child she has and if the circumstances are even reasonable!! Livorsi is a monster and prolongs court cases. She also tries to pit parents against each other and asks you what your next move is because she wants to counter it to drag out the case. I had repeated orders for the same thing because they did not like the results and could not prove me insane or unfit. Livorcsi also implied in public ( I ran into her on accident at a Walmart during my divorce the kids were with me) that I was crazy and she hoped I did not think she was following me. This probally came about because I could prove, hence my kids told others tat their dad was showing pictures of vehicles where I was living and asking the children which one was my boyfriends—I did not have one at the time! He was stalking me and the courts would not let me protect myself against him!! She also in front of lawyers in a room after a divorce proceeding was unprofessional and rude to me hinting that I was insane. Being she is a GAL their is no way to protect one from verbal abuse which is illegal !! She should not be a lawyer !!

    meme/ Yvonne Dexter

    September 27, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    • I am sorry for the trouble you have experienced. I know many people in these professions have ulterior motives; I have dealt also with individuals wanting to get my kids from me to play fake-parent with them, to their harm.

      Suggest reading the sidebar on the front page of this blog, or exploring the funding to the GAL programs in your area, or other things which may help shut down programs that are getting parents broke and kids hurt. This blog was written to apply to any states — all the detail is really demonstrating various programs working in several different states.

      The corporation organizing putting more GALs in people’s cases is called NACC. Along with AFCC, you should know about them, and possibly become a resource in your local area for how things work.

      I recommend people (especially mothers) learn about 1996 welfare reform (which promotes fatherhood and denigrates single mothers, and it’s a racket), make sure they CLEARLY understand that TANF funds are being diverted, or at least public funds, into programming that forces parents to consume more classes they don’t need, bring extra professionals onto the case under the premise that adding a GAL means increasing justice — and such things as access visitation funding (although it’s not the largest, many professions got their start with this sector).

      Check out the links and pages on this blog, plus the sidebars while I still have them up. Long rambling text still has information in it…..

      Let's Get Honest

      September 30, 2013 at 7:08 pm

      • I asked you to deleate a post and all you can do is criticize my spelling ( which my phone automatically changes on me), and it in regards to me being a nurse! Then you send me links and a bunch of crap! It was rude of you and unnecessary! You should have just said no!

  6. If you would please take off posts and Yvonne Dexter posts I would appreciate it. Not that I have anything that livorcee can take from me, I don’t own anything or have money, I believe she is head hunting anyone who sides with her nemeses above!

    Yvonne Dexter

    April 14, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    • Yvonne, her name is spelled “Livorsi” (and “nemeses” is “nemesis”). If you are going into nursing you are dealing with medical terminology, where spelling really counts. (your June, 2013 comment on my Aug. 2012 post). Is that going well?

      Are you asking me to delete your comments, or your comments and my posts? Why should I do this? Is it slanderous? If the GAL has been extorting, or over-charging, or just being cruel in doing her job — why should this be covered up?

      Many people are angry with the courts and courts personnel. I agree that mothers are often targeted, and am also a mother. I’ve been dealing with this system over about 12 years, and blogging it for 5. My blog can help people who are interested in system change. People who simply want revenge, and not the greater public good, probably will blow right by the valuable information it holds — which I only put on a blog because others didn’t do this for me, in my children, in a timely, or consistent fashion.

      You can see above I took time to answer comments. Here’s from my earlier response, still true today. Meanwhile if you want me to take a post down, that’s not going to happen unless there is a very good reason. If you’re going into nursing and don’t want this aspect of your personality on-line, I don’t think that’s a good reason. I wouldn’t want a person driven by anger, revenge, or in short, emotion — dealing with health issues, possibly life-and-death issues as nurses do. Would you?

      AGAIN, consider what I said above, particularly as GALs may have quasi-judicial immunity, and know it. Suing may not go far at all. Take a lesson from Lackawanna County — they got their GAL on tax evasion, not on being a bad GAL. Also it appears that some of these professionals have liability insurance.

      I wrote:

      “The corporation organizing putting more GALs in people’s cases is called NACC. Along with AFCC, you should know about them, and possibly become a resource in your local area for how things work.

      “*******I recommend people (especially mothers) learn about 1996 welfare reform (which promotes fatherhood and denigrates single mothers, and it’s a racket),******* make sure they CLEARLY understand that TANF funds are being diverted, or at least public funds, into programming that forces parents to consume more classes they don’t need, bring extra professionals onto the case under the premise that adding a GAL means increasing justice — and such things as access visitation funding (although it’s not the largest, many professions got their start with this sector).

      “Check out the links and pages on this blog, plus the sidebars while I still have them up. Long rambling text still has information in it….”

      Do you want it on a silver platter? Get real!

      Let's Get Honest

      April 16, 2014 at 9:39 am

      • Ok, for one thing it would be a conflict of interest for me to have her as a patient! You obviously don’t know much about nursing! The supervisor would give someone who is a conflict of interest to another person.
        Number two I’m not emotional on the floor, I’m all business and focused! I do not have emotional problems and you seem to think you know me ! A nursing degree is the hardest to get or so they say. I think being a doctor would be harder! I suggest you don’t try to slam me or judge me because you are not a good judge of character!
        I also believe you are the person I am referring to! You gave it away with what you replied to me! I really don’t care if I spelled her name correctly or if my phone changed my words to be not the correct choice, this is only a blog.
        You have no idea how far along I am in my courses. You just hate me cause I am correct about your character!

        Yvonne dexter

        April 16, 2014 at 1:39 pm

      • Yvonne — Stop this. I have not personally attacked you. You came on my blog, clearly haven’t absorbed what it’s saying — or particularly even this post — and asked me to remove certain “Posts.” Anyone can see that a lot of time and effort has been put into this blog — there are over 600 posts and it’s been going on for five years. It has in-depth information about the family court systems, including GALs.
        – – – – – – –
        I am a domestic violence survivor, and have been kept in survival mode and in the courts for many years — and presently am. For people who DO respect me, unlike yourself, I have a lot to offer, and together many of us are working for system change so you and others don’t have to be tortured or extorted by GALs.
        – – – – – – –
        I put myself fully into the task at hand — and I have put myself fully into this work (and for the most part, as a volunteer). I do not appreciate being told I am “slamming” someone because I pointed out a few obvious, and not hostile, things. ONE, Nursing requires accuracy — and you have some spelling problems. TWO, you’re not paying attention to this post, my prior comments (other than to take offence at them) and have responded with anger to a non-hostile comment.
        – – – –
        Re: my “judge of character” — and my allegedly “hating you.” You sound to me like someone already full of hate — I don’t have anything to do with that.

        I am over 60 years old and have been dealing with all kinds of people, in large groups, small groups, individually, and in MANY different contexts. Contrary to your statement, I am a pretty good judge of character, in general.
        – – –
        I have absolutely no idea what is meant by “you are the person I’m referring to.” That is a wild over-reach. I also don’t know what you’re referring to by “have her as patient.” You seem obsessed with some topic that I am not going to put my head into at this point.
        – – – –
        You were also again, courteously, reminded (asked) to take a look at a previous comment IF your concern is GALs. I see no acknowledgement of what I said (twice), of the question I asked you (do you want my post, or just comments removed), or when asked WHY should I, gave no reason. How’s that rate for listening skills?
        – – – – – –
        I am going to answer the other comment above, and you are after this blocked. I have no time for inflammatory conversations with people who are over-reacting, flying into accusations, ignoring what I wrote in the posts and ignoring the fact that responding (I didn’t have to) is courteous Many survivors of extreme abuse, child-abductions, sometimes homelessness, death threats, and stalking, come to and have been coming by my blog, which I know when they submit (rational) comments, and sometimes afterwards we converse and collaborate on seeking to stop these things. Sudden anger and irrational hatred and personal attacks are inappropriate, and will likely provoke PTSD in them, as it just about is in me at this point.
        – – – –
        Keep your hatred, your accusations, and your whatever it is you are doing — to yourself from here on. My time is valuable — and it is for people who are courteous, wish to help others affected by the courts, and have a little better self-restraint. My blog is not here for your amusement, or for hostile outbursts. PERIOD!

        And there is nothing wrong with mentioning spelling. I have done backup medical transcription for a law firm– and you have a problem spelling. I don’t know what the cause of, but it would be obvious to anyone else reading — that there are problems with spelling. This has nothing to do with your other nursing skills.

        Let's Get Honest

        April 16, 2014 at 3:50 pm

      • To get respect you have to respect others and you never have been respectful or kind to me either…. My ex was extremely abusive to also but you did not care, no one did. I don’t hate you, I just feel sorry for you! I will be helping others greatly and if you want to be friends or even just cool with each other then maybe it’s time. I still have to forgive you for the things you have said to me and done but that just depends on you.

        Sent from my iPhone

        >

        Renee Dexter

        April 16, 2014 at 4:01 pm

      • You act to much like her and I have respected you until you were ignorant to me! You can sugar coat it all you want but your message to me was rude and I do not put up with that.

        Sent from my iPhone

        >

        Renee Dexter

        April 16, 2014 at 4:58 pm

      • Oh and it’s you who are emotional lol… U freak out if anyone spells your name wrong. Taunt people in public when you know they can’t say anything back to you, and you know what you said after a court case to me in front of my lawyer and my dads. It’s very unprofessional of you! Before you judge other maybe you should take a look at yourself! In nursing it doesn’t matter who your patient is and what they have done it’s about stabilizing them and getting them healed. Oh, and it’s none of your business whether you think I will make a good nurse or how I am doing in my courses. It does however make you and my ex look bad and that is awesome to me!

        Sent from my iPhone

        >

        Renee Dexter

        April 16, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      • Renee / meme / Yvonne – whoever you are. Read my last comment. You appear to have confused me with someone else. I am not taunting anyone and have not taunted anyone on this post. I have never been in your presence, and do not know who you are. I am not a family court professional. I am not a lawyer, and I am not a GAL, I am a family court survivor, and have been a battered wife and am a mother.

        Who the hell are you to jump to these conclusions? The only person around with a profession, who’s been through some troubles? Your IP is blocked. Grow up!

        In my opinion, you need help. You’d better be careful, if this is typical, about flying off the handle without first realizing who you’re talking to.

        Let's Get Honest

        April 16, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      • Renee / meme / Yvonne – whoever you are. Read my last comment. You appear to have confused me with someone else. I am not taunting anyone and have not taunted anyone on this post. I have never been in your presence, and do not know who you are. I am not a family court professional. I am not a lawyer, and I am not a GAL, I am a family court survivor, and have been a battered wife and am a mother.

        Who the hell are you to jump to these conclusions? The only person around with a profession, who’s been through some troubles? Your IP is blocked. Grow up!

        Also, in my opinion, you need help. You’d better be careful, if this is typical, about flying off the handle without first realizing who you’re talking to.

        Let's Get Honest

        April 16, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      • I actually feel sorry for people like you.

        Yvonne dexter

        April 16, 2014 at 3:34 pm

  7. Shortly after the April 16th conversations, I got a feedback (on the feedback form with this blog) from Ms. Baker-Livorsi. It was of a completely different tone than the comments above (i.e., respectful).

    Because I don’t feel comfortable conversing by email (i.e., giving my personal email address out), I wanted to acknowledge it, in case she comes by, and to say that right now, I cannot immerse my head and thinking into this case, but that I did read it. Maybe another time soon.

    Right now I am dealing with a very difficult situation personally and seeking to resolve it. I have not been very active on this post for since the last comments you see, however, I stay networked with people dealing with the family courts (as litigants) and am aware of may special-interest groups among them, and among people who want to reform them.

    [Word clarification: the Post — main article, above. It has a title and was published on a certain date. Comments — submitted by various people on specific posts. Blog — the collection of (over 610, now) posts, pages, links, sidebar (and the whole deal) refers to, here, “familycourtmatters.wordpress.com” There is a “Recent Posts” listing these in table-of-contents form, at least back to Sept. 2012//This comment updated to clarify terms, 5/7/2014]

    I appreciate that this attorney took time to say where she was coming from and that she was sorry I came under attack after being confused with, I guess, her.

    Saying that doesn’t represent a position on the case pro or con, other than anything I’ve said above. I’m also going to point out again that I was asked to take posts with Ms. Dexter’s name on them down. Maybe she meant comments, maybe posts and comments. But when I said, “WHY?” was not given a reason.

    I deal with PTSD too. I have little respect for people who go on personal attacks without bothering to read the post they’re commenting on, or the blog. Who does that help?

    Let's Get Honest

    April 20, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    • You attacked me first and I just started to respond to your personal attacks on me!

      meme

      April 24, 2014 at 10:24 am

      • I think that you owe me an apology and if I get one I will apologize to you! That is my offer, I do understand about the other things that you are dealing with just be nicer to the people that post on here!! I just asked you to remove my posts not to go off on my writing skills or try to humiliate me! It was all I requested when you sent me an answer, that I can only see as a clear no. Instead of a clear answer you just evaded the whole request to begin with and sent me other information that I may look at now that I have the time. You continue to send me emails that do not even address the issue.

        meme

        April 24, 2014 at 10:30 am

    • In my email to you requesting it which is posted, I said it is because Livorisi is head hunting. My ex-husband seems to be in court an awful lot and Livorisi has copies of my responses and posts. Mine are at least accurate but I believe is she thought she could get anything from me she would have me in court. This is why I requested my comments off of here and still am in both the names Yvonne Dexter and MEME!
      I should not have to post why I want my comments removed but since you asked, here it is posted for you to see!!

      meme

      April 24, 2014 at 10:34 am

    • You still are evading what I asked you to do so if she goes after me u will end up in court also!

      Sent from my iPhone

      >

      Renee Dexter

      April 25, 2014 at 3:20 pm


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