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This page presents an Australian (Man's) report, via  XYonline.org  by way of "StopFamilyViolence.org" XY LogoSfvo-logo  As for commentary, inserted links & paragraphs, and (color, font, style) changes, well,those would be mine...  If unsure whose is whose, visit the original site.   Prefatory blurb: XYonline.org (that's a chromosomal, and not a mathematical, reference) is significant. This blog hopes to avoid the rabid He Said/She Said talk and is not aimed at either camp (or any other "rabid" camp). As such, I try to find sensible and non-rabid MALE input into the discussion, which this organization represents. I am also very THANKFUL for such input, because violence IS a gendered issue  (although poorly domesticated). We are in some difficult times, and yes, there IS male backlash against feminism, and there IS a middle ground, I hope, for people, such as myself, that do not believe the words "God,"  "Justice," and "freedom of religion" are incompatible.  It is simply necessary for all of us to adhere to the laws of the country, and participate actively in making them, monitoring our judiciary and executive branches, when they, too, assume a godlike rule over us.   The rewards for following any "idols," including superstars or golden calves, are immediate, and sometimes temporary.  I still believe -- sort of in the manner some of us United-States-ians still believe "O'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave" when we sing it, even acknowledging that this occurs in the BATTLE Hymn of the Republic.  Like the wide-ranging melody that few people these days can sing (I speak as a singer), and so hire people at ballparks to render, it is a wide-ranging concept, too. Thank you, Dr. Flood, whoever you are, for permission to publish, and StopFamilyViolence.org for posting it.   Dr Michael Flood Postdoctoral Fellow Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society (ARCSHS) La Trobe University E-mail: michael.flood[at]anu.edu.au PO Box 4026, Ainslie ACT, 2602 Permission is given for this document to be circulated or posted online.
Published on October 4, 2006 by Xy: Men, Masculinity and Gender Politics

Father’s Rights and Violence Against Women

by Michael Flood

Presentation in Panel, “Myths, Misconceptions, and the Men’s Movement”, at Conference, Refocusing Women’s Experiences of Violence, Sydney, 14-16 September.


In this talk, I’m going to focus on the ‘fathers’ rights’ movement, and their impact on violence against women.

Introduction: The fathers’ rights movement

The fathers’ rights movement  is defined by the claim that fathers are deprived of their ‘rights’ and subjected to systematic discrimination as men and fathers, in a system biased towards women and dominated by feminists. Fathers’ rights groups overlap with men’s rights groups and both represent an organised backlash to feminism. Fathers’ rights and men’s rights groups can be seen as the anti-feminist wing of the men’s movement, the network of men’s groups and organisations mobilised on gender issues (Flood, 1998).

Two experiences bring most men (and women) to the fathers’ rights movement. The first is deeply painful marriage breakups and custody battles. Fathers’ rights groups are characterised by anger and blame directed at ex-partners and the ‘system’ that has deprived men or fathers of their ‘rights’, and such themes are relatively common among men who have undergone separation and divorce. The second experience is non-resident fathers’ dissatisfaction with loss of contact with their children or with regimes of child support.

The fathers’ rights movement focuses on trying to re-establish fathers’ authority and control over their children’s and ex-partners’ lives, on gaining an equality concerned with fathers’ ‘rights’ and status rather than the actual care of children, and on winding back legal and cultural changes which have lessened gender inequalities.

Fathers’ rights groups are well-organised advocates for changes in family law, and vocal opponents of feminist perspectives and achievements on interpersonal violence.

Impact of the fathers’ rights movement on violence against women

The fathers’ rights movement has had four forms of impact on violence against women.

1.  Priviledging contact over safety

Most importantly, the fathers’ rights movement has influenced family law, with damaging consequences for women, children, and indeed men. Above all, fathers’ contact with children has been privileged, over children’s safety from violence.

An uncritical assumption that children’s contact with both parents is necessary now pervades the courts and the media. The Family Court’s new principle of the ‘right to contact’ is overriding its principle of the right to ‘safety from violence’. The Court now is more likely to make interim orders for children’s unsupervised contact in cases involving domestic violence or child abuse, to use hand-over arrangements rather than suspend contact until trial, and to make orders for joint residence where there is a high level of conflict between the separated parents and one parent strongly objects to shared residence.

The fathers’ rights movement has been unsuccessful in achieving its key goal of a rebuttable presumption of children’s joint residence after separation. {{NOT QUITE, at this point….}} However, other changes in family law and government policy over the last two years have reflected its influence. Recent reforms mean that greater numbers of parents who are the victims of violence will be subject to further violence and harassment by abusive ex-partners, while children will face a greater requirement to have contact with abusive or violent parents.

Current government policy echoes many of the key themes of the fathers’ rights movement. Both government policy and many fathers’ rights groups are guided by two central, and mistaken, assumptions: that all children see contact with both parents as in their best interests in every case, and that a violent father is better than no father at all (DVIRC, 2005, pp. 5-6). Both bodies talk of ‘conflict’ rather than violence, neglect violence as a legitimate issue for the courts and family services to address, emphasise mediation and counseling as solutions, and focus on punishing women for making false allegations or breaching contact orders.

2.  Discrediting victims

The second impact the fathers’ rights movement has had on violence against women is in discrediting victims. Fathers’ rights groups tell two key lies.

First, fathers’ rights groups tell the lie that women routinely make false accusations of child abuse to gain advantage in family law proceedings and to arbitrarily deny their ex-partners’ access to the children.

Second, fathers’ rights groups tell the lie that women routinely make up allegations of domestic violence [in order] to gain advantage in family law cases and use protection orders [in order] to remove men from their homes or deny contact with children rather than out of any real experience or fear of violence.

{{Blog author notes:  the habit of crediting motive to a litigant is common in Family Court.  

Presumption of motive is a mindset.  It is a mindset and attitude that presumes court personnel are competent to “mind-reading.” As such, it is indicative of a “god-like” perspective, rather than the “let’s check the facts” perspective which in court, one deserves and should be able to expect.  

COURTS are to review facts (evidence), law, and case law, etc.  They are not there to project motives upon the guilty til presumed fit.  As other places on this blog show, and unfortunately, there is also an  unspoken “NONrebuttable presumption of being in need of therapy (as referred by judges to court-appointed personnel, or even cronies…”  Well, back to Dr. Flood..}}

I [Dr. Flood speaking again] have written detailed critiques of these first two lies, and they are available both online and in the latest issue of the Australian journal Women Against Violence. I can send copies to anyone who wishes.


3.  Men’s versus women’s violence

(Impact on perceptions of intimate violence)

Related to this, the fathers’ rights movement also has had some impact on public perceptions of intimate violence. In particular, it tells the lie that domestic violence is gender-equal or gender-neutral – that men and women assault each other at equal rates and with equal effects.

While I’ve called this a lie, this is one claim for which there is some academic support.

To support the claim that domestic violence is gender-symmetrical, advocates draw almost exclusively on studies using a measurement tool called the Conflict Tactics Scale. The CTS situates domestic violence within the context of “family conflict”. It asks one partner in a relationship whether, in the last year, they or their spouse have ever committed any of a range of violent acts. CTS studies generally find gender symmetries in the use of violence in relationships. There are three problems with the use made of such studies by fathers’ rights activists.

First, men’s rights and fathers’ rights groups make only selective use of this data, as CTS authors themselves reject efforts to argue that women’s violence against men is as common or as harmful as men’s violence against women (Kimmel 2001, p. 22).

Second, there are methodological problems with the Conflict Tactics Scale. The CTS is widely criticized for not gathering information about the intensity, context, consequences or meaning of the action. The CTS ignores who initiates the violence (when women are more likely to use violence in self-defense), assumes that violence is used expressively (e.g. in anger) and not instrumentally (to ‘do’ power or control), omits violent acts such as sexual abuse, stalking and intimate homicide, ignores the history of violence in the relationship, neglects the question of who is injured, relies on only one partner’s reports despite poor interspousal reliability, and omits incidents after separation and divorce, which is a time of increased danger for women.

Third, a wide range of other data find marked gender asymmetries in domestic violence. For example, crime victimization studies based on large-scale aggregate data, household and crime surveys, police statistics, and hospital data all show that men assault their partners and ex-partners at rates several times the rate at which women assault theirs and that female victims greatly outnumber male victims (Tjaden & Thoennes 2000, pp. 25-26).

{{BlogAuthor comments:  Thoennes is one of the originators of the Center for Policy Research — see blogroll/organizations.  This conclusion seems a little odd, in that this institute appears (to me) to be one of the prime movers in setting up other fathers’ rights-organizations with extensive, almost unrivaled? influence over the family courts AND child support, etc. agencies  So to acknowledge that women get hit more seems odd.}}

Feminist and other scholars have worked to reconcile the conflicting findings of these bodies of data. One important insight is the recognition of different patterns of violent behaviour in couples and relationships. Some heterosexual relationships suffer from occasional outbursts of violence by either husbands or wives during conflicts, what some (Johnson 1995, 284-285) call “common couple violence”. Here, the violence is relatively minor, both partners practise it, it is expressive in meaning, it tends not to escalate over time, and injuries are rare. In situations of “patriarchal terrorism” on the other hand, one partner (usually the man) uses violence and other controlling tactics to assert or restore power and authority. The violence is more severe, it is asymmetrical, it is instrumental in meaning, it tends to escalate, and injuries are more likely.

CTS studies are only a weak measure of levels of minor ‘expressive’ violence in conflicts among heterosexual couples. They are poorer again as a measure of ‘instrumental’ violence, in which one partner uses violence and other tactics to assert power and authority (Johnson 1995, 284–285).

There is no doubt that men are the victims of domestic violence. Men experience domestic violence at the hands of female and male sexual partners, ex-partners, and other family members.

A growing body of research tells us that there are important contrasts in women’s and men’s experiences of domestic violence. Women are far more likely than men to be subjected to frequent, prolonged, and extreme violence, to sustain injuries, to fear for their lives, and to be sexually assaulted (Kimmel 2001, 19; Bagshaw et al. 2000). Men subjected to domestic violence by women rarely experience post-separation violence and have more financial and social independence. Female perpetrators of domestic violence are less likely and less able than male perpetrators to use nonphysical tactics to maintain control over their partners (Swan & Snow 2002, 291-292).

Women’s physical violence towards intimate male partners is often in self-defense (DeKeseredy et al. 1997; Hamberger et al. 1994; Swan & Snow 2002, 301; Muelleman & Burgess 1998, 866). On the other hand, women’s intimate violence can also be motivated by efforts to show anger, a desire for attention, retaliation for emotional hurt, and so on (Hamberger et al. 1994). It is inadequate to explain women’s violence simply in terms of their own oppression and powerlessness, and naïve to assume that women are immune from using violence to gain or maintain power in relationships (Russo 2001, 16-19).

Men are likely to under-estimate and under-report their subjection to domestic violence by women (George 1994, 149; Stockdale 1998, 63). There is no evidence however that male victims are more likely to under-report than female victims. In fact, men tend to over-estimate their partner’s violence and under-estimate their own, while women do the reverse (Kimmel 2001, 10-11).

The fathers’ rights movement’s attention to domestic violence against men is not motivated by a genuine concern for male victimisation, but by political agendas concerning family law, child custody and divorce (Kaye & Tolmie 1998, pp. 53-57). This is evident in two ways.

{{NOTE:  This is why it is important to KNOW some of the characteristics & behaviors of the individuals (as in, founders of organizations) and organizations (as in, funding, purpose, etc.) of people talking.  I personally have found that the system I was dragged through, and daughters — very often mirrored the abuse / DV I’d just had a decade too much of.  It took less than one year to figure this out, by personally witnessing reactions and responses to straightforward facts….}}

First, the fathers’ rights movement focuses on this violence when the great majority of the violence inflicted on men is not by female partners or ex-partners but by other men. Australian crime victimisation surveys find that less than one percent of violent incidents among men is by partners or ex-partners, compared to one-third of incidents among women (Ferrante et al. 1996, 104). Boys and men are most at risk of physical harm from other boys and men.

Second, the fathers rights’ movement seeks to erode the protections available to victims of domestic violence and to bolster the rights and freedoms of alleged perpetrators, and this harms female and male victims of domestic violence alike. I turn to this now.  

{{. . . . . . .AND CHILDREN, SIR!!!}}


4. Protecting perpetrators and undermining supports for victims

The fourth way in which the fathers’ rights movement has had an impact on violence against women is in its efforts to modify responses to the victims and perpetrators of violence.

The fathers’ rights movement has sought to wind back the protections afforded to the fictitious ‘victims’ of violence and to introduce legal penalties for their dishonest and malicious behavior. The Lone Fathers’ Association and other groups argue that claims of violence or abuse should be made on oath, they should require police or hospital records, and people making allegations which are not then substantiated, and those who’ve helped them, should be subject to criminal prosecution. They call for similar limitations to do with protection orders.

Fathers’ rights groups also attempt to undermine the ways in which domestic violence is treated as criminal behavior. They emphasise the need to keep the family together, call for the greater use of mediation and counseling, and reject pro-arrest policies.

{{Pause to reflect.  Why would they wish to do this?  WHY drown out the  very real issue of domestic violence, which is simply violence, at home, and protest treating criminal behavior as criminal?  The only reason (this chickie) can deduce is that somehow, married / partnered women are not truly seen as civil-rights-worthy.  I have studied, experienced, and verified this. The family law venue is lighter, slighter, and prone to psychologizing, not fact-finding.  I think the answer for WHy lies in the origins of these family law institutions, which is why I chose to study them.  AFTER my family had been dis-assembled therein.}}

Such changes would represent a profound erosion of the protections and legal redress available to the victims of violence and the ease with which they and their advocates can seek justice. This agenda betrays the fact that the concern for male victims of domestic violence often professed by fathers’ rights groups is rhetorical rather than real. While such groups purport to advocate on behalf of male victims of domestic violence, they seek to undermine the policies and services that would protect and gain justice for these same men.  {{bullets inserted…}}

  • Fathers’ rights groups often respond to issues of domestic and sexual violence from the point of view of the perpetrator.
  • And they respond in the same way as actual male perpetrators: they minimise and deny the extent of this violence, blame the victim, and explain the violence as a mutual or reciprocal process (Hearn, 1996, p. 105).
  • This sympathy for perpetrators is evident in other ways too. Fathers’ rights advocates have expressed sympathy or justification for men who use violence against women and children in the context of family law proceedings. And, ironically, they use men’s violence to demonstrate how victimised men are by the family law system (Kaye & Tolmie, 1998a, pp. 57-58).

{{Pause — please, and consider this anomaly.   Then, I have a link or two…..}}

LINK#1 (and see Blogroll to right):

Per:  “NAFCJ.net”

One important factor which the fathers rights leaders never mention is that their leading group, CRC, was set up many years ago by people who were officials of secretive judicial organizations – AFCC: Association of Family & Conciliation Courts — established in Los Angeles in 1982 by L.A. judges and a few others, including a man named Meyer Elkin, (now deceased) who was a prison sex offender psychologist

(NAFCJ note: a profession notorious for being sympathetic to sex offenders).

But Meyer Elkin is not the only AFCC official who was also a founding official of the leading fathers rights group – CRC. Joan Kelly, of Marin County CA, does research and trains court professionals, is also a AFCC and CRC founding official. Several other AFCC officials or leaders are also closely associated with the fathers right groups.  {{THey love to quote each other….}}}

This and other factors show that the fathers rights movement was a creation of a ring judges who dominate the family court system and public policy in many states. These judges are not only hearing a large percentage of domestic litigation, they are also writing the state laws covering custody, divorce and child support. In addition they influence (U.S.) HHS-ACF agency which controls most of the grant funds going to the state level agencies and courts. Their people are getting the grants and using for the fathers rights cases.  {{Blog author has fact-checked, and agrees.  More on the HHS connections, soon, I hope.  It is an unpleasant shock to discover where the sources of our distresses appear to lie — taxpayer funded, closed-door arranged, decades-earlier-initiated.  I can think of no better reason to immediately go green, simplify, reduce, and carve out huge blocks of time to find out WHAT my government is doing, on an ONgoing basis!   One way to carve out such time is creative homeschooling, another way is for parents to somehow become financially independent of their jobs.  lest I do a mid-comment-interrupting full-sized post, I’ll leave it at that.  For now.}}


This and other factors show that the fathers rights movement was a creation of a ring judges who dominate the family court system and public policy in many states.

{{“AW,… that couldn’t possibly be true,” you say. WHY?  Because the thought is uncomfortable.  The same reasoning says that a nice smiling gjy couldn’t possibly both attend a church (synagogue, mosque, charity function) and then go home and beat wife & kids.  WELL, those guys on the news could, but am I saying that our justice system has major widespread difficulties originating in high places??   Well, take the time, and poke around. I have. The AFCC logo is everywhere… as is presumptive custody, thanks to CRC (CRCkids.org) and others.  See LINK#2, for just ONE sample…}}}


LINK#2 Case in point: AFCC on Hofstra Law, “FLER”

Family Law Education Reform. . . with help from the AFCC ~ a.k.a. a fathers’ rights group.

The FLER Project

The FLER Project was co-sponsored by the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts and the Hofstra School of Law Center for Children, Families and the Law. ((Watch the “Centers” for this and that spring up throughout university campuses….}}} Over a two-year period, the Project systematically involved hundreds of law school faculty, law students and interdisciplinary family court professionals in developing a series of recommendations for educating the next generation of family lawyers. The Report of the Family Law Education Reform Project (FLER) documents a gap between the content of family law courses and the way that family law is practiced. 

Translation:  This means possibly that some judges were still following the law when it came to a rebuttable presumption against sole, or even joint, legal custody going to a batterer or child molester?  Or that a complaint of child abuse didn’t produce more parenting classes for BOTH parents, after separation?  

More in this in a different post.  Back to Dr. Flood’s article. . . . 

Members of fathers’ rights groups also act as direct advocates for alleged perpetrators of violence against women. For example, one group distributes pamphlets for ‘victims of a false AVO’, giving no attention to how to respond to ‘true’ perpetrators of violence nor to the safety of family members.

{{For a good expose of this, see Liz Richards’ “NAFCJ.net” — and contact her, too.  THis has been documented, and is illegal when federally funded}}

Fathers’ rights groups also attack media and community campaigns focused on men’s violence against women, call for the de-funding and abolition of what they call the “domestic violence industry”, and engage in the harassment of community sector and women’s organisations which respond to the victims of violence.

Other, positive responses by men: The White Ribbon Campaign

This is all pretty depressing news. In this context, I’ve been especially heartened to see a growing positive response by men, in alliance with women, to help stop violence against women. I will focus on one such response.

White Ribbon Day is the largest effort by men across the world, working in partnership with women, to end men’s violence against women. White ribbons are worn on the day by men to show their concern about violence against women, and by women who are supporting men. It takes place on November 25th, the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women.

In Australia, White Ribbon Day is organised in part by UNIFEM, a women’s organisation, but it is conducted in partnership with men and men’s organisations. The White Ribbon Campaign focuses on the positive roles that men can play in helping to stop violence against women.

To find out more, visit the website: http://www.whiteribbonday.org.au/


To continue our efforts to prevent violence, several strategies are necessary.

We must continue to respond effectively to those who’ve experienced this violence, the coalface work that some of you already do.

We must continue to keep the issue of violence against women on the public agenda.

We must step up efforts to engage men in positive ways, building partnerships with supportive men and men’s groups. We must confront, or sidestep, the dangerous ambitions and dishonest claims of the men’s and fathers’ rights backlash.

The achievements of the fathers’ rights movement are already putting women, children and indeed men at greater risk of violence and abuse. {{BLOGauthor adds:  And they are still being killed…, not just:  “at risk” at all in those cases…}}  The fathers’ rights movement has exacerbated our culture’s systematic silencing and blaming of victims of violence and hampered efforts to respond effectively to the victims and perpetrators of violence.

However, the new politics of fatherhood has not been entirely captured by the fathers’ rights movement. There is potential to foster men’s positive and non-violent involvement in parenting and families. Key resources for realising the progressive potential of contemporary fatherhood politics include the widespread imagery of the nurturing father, community intolerance for violence against women, growing policy interest in addressing divisions of labour in child care and domestic work, and men’s own investments in positive parenting.

However, thwarting the fathers’ rights movement’s backlash requires that we directly confront the movement’s agenda, disseminate critiques of its false accusations, and respond in constructive and accountable ways to the fathers (and mothers) undergoing separation and divorce (Flood, 2004, pp 274-278).

Beating the backlash

The following are some of the political strategies we can use to help beat the fathers’ rights backlash.

Discredit fathers’ rights groups. Emphasise that they;

  1. Are interested only in reducing their financial obligations to their children;
  2. Are interested only in extending or regaining power and authority over ex-partners and children.
  3. Do nothing to increase men’s actual share of childcare / parenting or men’s positive involvement in parenting both before and after separation.
  4. Collude with perpetrators of violence against women and children, protect and advocate for perpetrators, or are perpetrators.
  5. Produce critiques of their lies and their strategies which are credible and accessible.
  6. Co-opt the new politics of fatherhood;

Support positive efforts to respond to separated fathers. (And emphasise that FR groups fix men in anger and blame, rather than helping them to heal.)

Build on men’s desires to be involved (and nonviolent) parents.

Find alternative male voices: supportive men and men’s / fathers’ networks and groups.

‘Speaking as a father…’

Tell women’s stories

Atrocity tales: Stories of abuse and inequality.

In letters, submissions, on talkback, etc.

(But beware of the ways in which these can (a) portray women only as victims, (b) homogenise and essentialise women’s (diverse) experiences of violence, and (c) undermine credibility and support. )

Find and nurture male allies: in government, the community sector, academic, etc.

More widely, we must continue do the work of violence prevention: to undermine the beliefs and values which support violence, challenge the power relations which sustain and are sustained by violence, and promote alternative constructions of gender and sexuality which foster non-violence and gender justice.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


Certain brands of this group are not going to endorse homosexuality or trans-gendered situations (let alone ordaining a woman) any time soon, and will continue to view those who do as “the enemy” and remove their children, if possible, from such exposures.  Between the Koran (with which I am not familiar), and the Bible (with which I am), friends, it just ain’t going to happen.

I myself present as heterosexual and appreciating gender differences.

What I resent, and perhaps this can be addressed, is where these differences have become an overstylized CARICATURE of male and female.  The fact is, even in the Bible, “God” has male and female attributes at times.  He AM what he AM.  And any honest reading of Genesis records that the domination thing came up AFTER the “fall,” in which both Adam & Eve participated.  The first thing Adam said, when confronted, was an excuse.  Woman-blaming.  The habit has not gone anywhere recently.


A BOOK (nonreligious) that addresses this has a misleading title.

It is called “The End of Manhood.”  (I’ll try & post).

Before you shudder, it talks honestly about how when it comes to a choice between JUSTICE and being “one of the boys” (“manhood”), it’s an either/or.  He is not talking about the end of masculinity, but of the mythic concept of some hero at the top of the heap (heirarchy).  In a foreward or post-script (forget which) this gentleman acknowledges that he was pretty cruel to his sister growing up, as she reminded him on reading the book.  

“The End of Manhood.”



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