Afghanistan // Egypt — The Art of Suppression (2 from MidEast Forum/Pajamas Media)
My connection with this is (obviously) through the writings of Dr. Phyllis Chesler, but the relationship of suppression of women to suppression of the “wrong” religion (according to who’s in power) is universally important.
Here’s the “about” page on “meforum However my main hope in posting these two articles is that visitors to THIS blog about familycourtmatters will consider these topics.
I consider the family law system symbolically an “archipelago,” and I also see it as Sharia in the making. Most men are not really ready for women to be free from their domination throughout society. The risks that we might just :
1. Say No and stop providing services, including supporting oppressive systems, breeding more young, nubile females to satisfy infantile fantasies, and stop rebuilding what wars have destroyed, AND (as to middle aged males), after by doing this, have restored some possible equilibrium,
2. Seek mates closer to our own age, and stop standing by while our neighbor females lose their lives, and children, through a court system, because we have been socially groomed that, by paying taxes (i.e., being employees, not employERs), someone else is responsible for it.
3. In general set higher standards of behavior for interaction with us and our kids.
To be fair, though this is “MEFORUM” opening description:
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Now about 2006, and how Phyllis almost got stuck overseas, and came back more feminist than before. Many parallels exist with USA (from where I, obviously, blog)…
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How Afghan Captivity Shaped My Feminism
by Phyllis Chesler
Middle East Quarterly
Winter 2006, pp. 3-10
. . .
/// My life was akin to that of an upper class Afghan woman. My experience was similar to—but hardly as constrained as—that which an increasing number of Arab and Muslim women face today.
In this first decade of the twenty-first century, women living in Islamic societies are being forced back into time, re-veiled, more closely monitored, and more savagely punished than they were in the 1960s.
That said, I had never expected my freedom and privacy to be so curtailed. In Afghanistan, a few hundred wealthy families lived by European standards. Everyone else lived in a premodern style. And that’s the way the king, his government, and the mullahs wanted it to remain. Western diplomats did not peg their foreign policies to how Afghanistan treated its women.
Even before multicultural relativism kicked in, Western diplomats did not believe in “interfering.”
My comment: This attitude prevails in the family-worshipping environment of white (and black, and other colors, from what I can tell) Protestant non-mainstream AND mainstream churches. At least that has been my consistent experience over more than a decade, both married with violence, and single supposedly without it….
I am now (of recently) re-evaluating this concept of the ramifications Monotheism (as well as Atheism) according to its practice. If you think THAT ain’t challenging … it is ….. But an honest person will do this. More in other posts.
The Afghanistan I knew was a prison, a feudal monarchy, and rank with fear, paranoia, and slavery. Individual Afghans were charming, funny, humane, tender, enchantingly courteous, and sometimes breathtakingly honest. Yet, their country was a bastion of illiteracy, poverty, and preventable disease. Women were subjected to domestic and psychological misery in the form of arranged marriages, polygamy, forced pregnancies, the chadari, domestic slavery and, of course, purdah (seclusion of women).
Women led indoor lives and socialized only with other women. If they needed to see a doctor, their husband consulted one for them in their place. Most women were barely educated. In Kabul, I met other foreign wives who loved having servants but whose own freedom had been constrained. Some European wives, who had come in the late 1940s and early 1950s had converted to Islam and wore The Thing, as we called the cloaking chadari.
Each had been warned, as had I, that whatever they did would become known, that there were eyes everywhere, and that their actions could endanger their families and themselves. Afghans mistrusted foreign wives.
I have a post, a while back, including the “Seven-lesson Schoolteacher” (from “Dumbing Us Down” by John Taylor Gatto (1990), a homeschool favorite. ONE of the lessons is, “there is no privacy.” This concept is echoed in the Decalaration of Independence of the United States, as follows:
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
[[As contrasted to “no-fault divorce.” hmmm..]]
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
[[Again, read this with the concept of men governing women within their marriages, and society — and think about it!]]
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–
And some of them are listed in this document:
The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States…
- He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. {{or custody dependent on the will of a capricious judge..}}
- He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
These are the court paraprofessionals I keep blogging about….
- He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
- He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
- He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation
- For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
The family courts exist in ORDER to do this; it is therapeutic jurisprudence, and mediation, evaluation, supervised visitation IN ORDER to produce a desired outcome, which I have been posting about (see also NAFCJ.net). When you have the words “required outcome” in a court case, as opposed to “required PROCESS,” you no longer have justice. Period.
Back to Phyllis’ Feminism formed, or re-inforced, in Afghanistan
Once, I saw an Afghan husband fly into a rage when his foreign wife not only wore a Western swimsuit to a swimming party—but actually plunged into the pool. The men expected to be the only ones who would swim; their wives were meant to chat and sip drinks. The concept of privacy is a Western one. When I would leave the common sitting room in order to read quietly in my own bedroom, all the women and children would follow me. They’d ask: “Are you unhappy?” No one spent any time alone. To do so was an insult to the family. The idea that a woman might be an avid reader of books and a thinker was too foreign to comprehend. Like everyone else, Ali was under permanent surveillance. His career and livelihood depended upon being an obedient Afghan son and subject. How he treated me was crucial. He had to prove that his relationship to women was every bit as Afghan as any other man’s; perhaps more so, since he had arranged his own marriage to a foreigner. ///
In Western terms, he had to prove his “masculinity.”
NOTE: I haven’t fully processed this next article but (as typically) put it out here for public consumption and digestion. I do note that in our area (which has a prospering MidEastern population from a number of countries) I recently met a (professor/doctor) man, a Christian, who said that the U.S. has strongly underestimated the danger of Islam, and spoke of how Egypt (from where he was) persecutes Christians. I remembered “Now They Call Me Infidel” for sure.
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Unprecedented: Egyptian Government Suppresses Christian Doctrine
by Raymond Ibrahim
Pajamas Media
June 16, 2010
It is not enough that the Egyptian government facilitates persecution of the Copts, Egypt’s indigenous Christian minority. Now the government is interfering directly with the church’s autonomy concerning doctrine. According to the Assyrian International News Agency:
The head of the Coptic Church in Egypt has rejected a court ruling that orders the church to allow divorced Copts to remarry in the church. In a press conference held on Tuesday June 8, Pope Shenouda [III], reading from the statement issued by the Holy Synod’s 91 Bishops, including himself, said: “The Coptic Church respects the law, but does not accept rulings which are against the Bible and against its religious freedom which is guaranteed by the Constitution.” He went on to say “the recent ruling is not acceptable to our conscience, and we cannot implement it.” He also said that marriage is a holy sacrament of a purely religious nature and not merely an “administrative act.”
Though little reported in the West, this issue is rapidly boiling over. There is even talk that, if he does not submit to the court’s ruling, the pope will (once again) be imprisoned. What is behind such unprecedented governmental interference with the Coptic Church’s autonomy?
Reading Egypt’s national newspaper, Al Ahram, one gets the impression that, by trying to make divorce and remarriage easier for Copts, the Egyptian government is attempting to “liberalize” Coptic society—only to be challenged by an antiquated pope not open to “reform.” It quotes one Copt saying that the “Pope’s limiting divorce and remarriage to cases of adultery is unfair. It is against human nature.” Even the manager of the Centre for Egyptian Women’s Legal Assistance claims that his position “exposes Pope Shenouda’s desire to impose his will over the Christian community” (a curious statement, considering that some 10,000 Copts recently demonstrated in support of the pope, and that the Catholic and Orthodox churches—which guide some 1.5 billion Christians—hold similar views on divorce and remarriage).
At any rate, lest the reader truly think that the Egyptian government is becoming more “liberal,” there are a few important facts to remember:
First, according to the Second Article of the Egyptian Constitution, Sharia law—one of, if not the most draconian law codes to survive the Medieval period—is “the principal source of legislation.” This means that any number of measures contrary to basic human rights are either explicitly or implicitly supported by the Egyptian government, including polygamy, the obstruction of churches, and institutionalized discrimination against non-Muslims and females in general. Put differently, Sharia law can be liberal—but only to male Muslims, who (speaking of marriage and divorce) can have up to four wives, and divorce them by simply uttering “I divorce you” thrice (even via “text messaging“).
Moreover, the Egyptian government—again, in accordance to Sharia law—prevents Muslims from converting to Christianity. Mohammad Hegazy, for instance, tried formally to change his religion from Muslim to Christian on his I.D. card—yes, in Egypt, people are Gestapo-like categorized by their religion—only to be denied by the Egyptian court. (Many other such anecdotes abound). In other words, while the Egyptian government portrays itself as “modernizing” the church’s “archaic” position on divorce and remarriage, it—the government, not Al Azhar, nor some radical sheikhs, nor yet the Muslim mob—prevents (including by imprisonment and torture) Muslims from converting to Christianity.
As for those who accuse Pope Shenouda of behaving no better than “closed-minded” radicals, consider: he is not forcing a law on individual Copts; he is simply saying that, in accordance to the Bible (e.g., Matt 5:32), and except in certain justifiable circumstances (e.g., adultery) Copts cannot remarry in the church: “Let whoever wants to remarry to do it away from us. There are many ways and churches to marry in. Whoever wants to remain within the church has to abide by its laws.”
If this still sounds a tad “non-pluralistic,” know that at least Copts have a way out: quit the church. No such way out for Muslims: Sharia law—Egypt’s “primal source of legislation”—mandates death for Muslims who wish to quit Islam.
Nor has the inherent hypocrisy of the government’s position been missed by Egyptians: “The Pope evaded answering a question presented by a reporter in the press conference on whether the court would dare order Al Azhar [Egypt’s highest Islamic authority] to agree to a Muslim marrying a fifth wife and not only four, comparing it to the interference of the Court in the Bible teachings through its recent ruling.” A good question, indeed.
Finally, the grandest oddity of this situation is the fact that, for all its inhumane practices, Sharia law does, in fact, permit dhimmis to govern their communities according to their own creeds, a fact not missed by the pope himself, who “pointed to Islamic Law, which allows religious minorities to follow their own rules and customs.”
In short, the Egyptian government is behaving even more intolerantly than its medieval Muslim predecessors who, while openly oppressive of Christians, at least allowed the latter to govern their own, personal affairs according to Christian doctrine. As Pope Shenouda declared at the emergency Holy Synod, “the ruling must be reconsidered, otherwise this will mean that the Copts are suffering and that they are religiously oppressed.”
Indeed, when Copts are violently persecuted by Muslims, the government claims that it cannot control the actions of a minority of “extremists.” However, now that the Egyptian government is personally tampering with the church’s ability to live according to Christian doctrine, what more proof is needed that it seeks to subvert Coptic society and is therefore an enabler of Coptic persecution?
Raymond Ibrahim is associate director of the Middle East Forum, author of The Al Qaeda Reader, and guest lecturer at the National Defense Intelligence College.
Related Topics: Anti-Christianism, Egypt | Raymond Ibrahim
AND, all to common these days, a woman imprisoned, baited by her own child’s voice, til she agrees to NOT divorce him….
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Man allegedly imprisoned estranged wife
Sheboygan Press staff • June 19, 2010
This is the day before father’s day. The man was a father. THe word “father” should’ve been in the headline. AND, how come SHE is a “wife” but HE is a “man.” If she’s his WIFE, he’s a “husband.” If a SWAT team had been called in, he might’ve ended up dead, as did a young man who held a cousin/baby hostage (though unharmed) in our area not long ago, after a hole was blown through a wall).
A 29-year-old rural Sheboygan Falls man allegedly lured his estranged wife into his basement with their child’s voice and locked her in a room until she promised to reconcile, according to a criminal complaint filed Friday.
Benjamin C. Riemer, of N4395 Van Treeck Trail, is charged with felony false imprisonment and misdemeanor counts of battery and disorderly conduct.He faces up to four years in prison, if convicted on all counts.
According to the complaint:
Riemer’s wife, 29, came to his house about noon Thursday to pick up their 2-year-old daughter.
{{FOLKS NOTE: they were separated, and had obviously visitation or some form of shared parenting or joint custody… I recommend a DETOX period for men when they separate. This is a DANGEROUS time for a woman, even if no prior DV was alleged, and can be for the children, too. Traumatized threatened Moms are challenged in their parenting, if this goes on too long, as it does in custody “battles.” (a male phraseology, not a female one, by the way)}}
As she looked for the child outside, Riemer came outside with a “crazy look” in his eyes and told her to get in the house.
The woman said allowed Riemer to herd her inside,
WOMEN, be forewarned. Perhaps he’d been herding her a lot during marriage; perHAPS this relates to why they were divorcing…How old was she? The baby has an age, and he does, but she doesn’t?
but she resisted when he told her to go to the basement. She relented when he told her their daughter was downstairs and she heard the girl’s voice.
When they reached the basement, she discovered the voice was coming through a baby monitor. Riemer then told her, “Oh yeah, you knew you shouldn’t have come down here.”
Riemer pushed the woman into a bedroom and locked the door, taking her phone and throwing it away.
Riemer then told his wife he had been planning this day for weeks and she was not leaving until she agreed to give him another chance. Riemer said he had a loaded gun ready to kill himself if she said no, and he also referenced shooting her.
The wife said Riemer kept her in the room for about an hour, repeatedly pushing and screaming at her as she began to panic and hyperventilate. When she tried to run out, Riemer slammed her into a desk chair and moved a sofa in front of the door.
{{Readers: Re-read that above paragraph, and the below one, and then consider whether that wasn’t a LIGHT sentence, if he is even convicted… Will his behavior be excused because he was “distraught” ?? I suspect there was probably more shoving and such behavior in the marriage BEFORE separating….}}
Riemer let the woman go when she promised not to go through with the divorce. Court records show the couple filed jointly for divorce in March.
I rest my case that we are heading towards Sharia Law in the U.S. Watch Out!
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Regarding “Not Without My Daughters” (Beth Mamoody), Yes, there was protest about this version of events; even Wikipedia acknowledges. Here’s a link from the “Iran Times,” last August stating so:
‘Not Without My Daughter’ dad dies0 Comments | Iran Times International (Washington, DC), August 28, 2009
Bozorg Mahmoody, the medical doctor who became internationally famous, even infamous, as the man described as a wife-beater in the book and film “Not Without My Daughter,” died Saturday. He was 70 years old.
The state news agency quoted his nephew, Majid Ghodsi, as reporting Mahmoody died in a Tehran hospital of kidney problems and other complications.Ghodsi said, “He thought of his daughter until the end and passed away without seeing Mahtob.”
Mahtob, who will turn 30 next month, has said publicly that she refused to have anything to do with her father and has lived for years in an undisclosed city in North America under an assumed name so that he could not find her.
The book, written by Mahtob’s mother, Betty Mahmoody, and especially the 1991 movie adaptation, starring Sally Field as Betty and Alfred Molina as Bozorg, enflamed the Iranian-American community for depicting Iranians and Iranian culture negatively.Betty Mahmoody responded that the heroes of the story were the Iranians who went to great lengths to help Betty and Mahtob flee Iran in 1986. Bozorg had refused to allow his wife to leave the country with their daughter, hence the title of the book and film.
Bozorg Mahmoody fought back in 2003 by cooperating in a French-German film financed by Finnish television that gave his side of the story.
Bozorg Mahmoody was defiant that his ex-wife invented much of the story and in the process defamed him and prevented him and his daughter from having a normal father-child relationship. And because of her book and the Hollywood film it spawned, he said he was “a victim of international politics.”
Wife-beaters are always “victims” … Even the CONCEPT that a man might beat his wife for religious, or other reasons, is a vicious feminist lie striking at the heart of the family, which of course is with Apple Pie, what America is really about, as well as most religions . . . .
The MSM news are NOT majority feminist owned. Nor are the churches, nor is Washington. There is plenty of fatherhood & marriage funding making the rounds, still. The richest church around (Roman Catholic, Vatican) has a real love/hate relationship with females, while promoting the breeding of more church members to dedicate their lives and services (and tithes, including help settling abuse complaints) to this organization. It’s not owned by feminazis. Nor are the Mormons, nor are other major churches that consider the family more important than individual rights.
And the news I’m reading, as hard as it tries to “equalize” the situation, still reports rapes, beatings, murders, etc. by women attempting to leave men as primarily BY men. Maybe they did it for “real” good reasons, but the facts are, if the papers are not outright lying when they say what’s on the police blotter, there’s a lot of violence going around. …
I think it’s time we searched for a BALANCED set of social paradigms, and seek to limit the power of government in our lives. I do understand, from one perspective, how the feds have to step in at times and have in the past. However, the creators of the poverty and the creators of the DOMINATE mentality should not be entirely trusted to set the social standards of an entire nation. And for this — face it — until CONGRESS is more diverse, which takes independent money most of us don’t have — we are going to have to think more cooperative locally.
Someday the middle-class will figure out what’s going on at the top and at the bottom of society, and I hope that there will be a track record of some truths (I don’t say ALL truth, which is an egotisticals tatement, but SOME relevant truths) to the cause and effect of all this — well, for an analogy to BP fiasco — spillage and spouting out of what’s in the innards of the earth into the more visible and more sensitive ecology of the ocean (of humanity….). We are up to our necks in it.
Don’t blame the oil! ……
And one response to PRESSURE is PRESSING BACK. And the natural Re-action to PRESSING BACK AGAINST PRESSURE.
Adding the weight of “God” (and being His (or Her, or Their) “sole interpreter” in this is simply not really playing fair.
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