Let's Get Honest! Absolutely Uncommon Analysis of Family & Conciliation Courts' Operations, Practices, & History

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1. What if there is incompetent court ruling from a corrupted Judge depriving mother from a custody of her child in a case that the minor was under mother’s full custody from age 0 till age 5 1/2 and there is NO single evidence against mother’s moral characteristics. As a consequence of this unjust order, that is proven to harm the child, the mother takes her child to her native country, which is the ONLY Country of citizenship of the father as well, and still the mother is considered as a parental abductor. What is happening next??? Please, can someone give an advice or an answer. Who is going to hold those so called judges, ignorant minor counsels, etc. responsible for the actual harm they did with their malignant rulings. Further, who is going to consider the fact that the children who are brought up outside of all this distructive conflicts and deteriorated atmosphere in the presence of unfitted parent are happier and healthier when having their extended loving family next to them, providing all they need for a better start in life? It is absolutely wrong to have mothers in jail before a fair trial is compleated in order to establish all factual data. Isn’t all this for the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILD???!!! If so who is observing the best interest of the child having parent who the chlid loves and is so attached to put behind the bars? The incentive for protecting her child made her a criminal? A bail of $200,000???!!! It seems to me that this is not about the best interest of the child at all, rather is about the $$$$. What a pitty.

   

   Nadia

   March 9, 2010 at 3:07 am

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   • Nadia — I feel for your situation, and in this respect, it’s my own, and of mothers across the US,a nd other countries also, through these family courts (see my Feedjit for who is following posts): You comment ~~
     “What if there is incompetent court ruling from a corrupted Judge depriving mother from a custody of her child in a case that the minor was under mother’s full custody from age 0 till age 5 1/2 and there is NO single evidence against mother’s moral characterist”

     ~~This is an entirely appropriate reaction, indignation, if not outrage, at unjust court decisions don’t match with the obvious facts, or deprive parents of access without due process, or stick kids with batterers and abusers until they turn 18. I doubt that all people are going to be held accountable, but what I am personally working towards is, as a U.S. Citizen, alerting taxpayers that their taxes are being used fraudulently in these courts, too often, in order to obtain “Big Brother’s” ideal social order, which includes a man in the home, regardless of what quality of man.

     ~~I can pray for you (and will, I still -miraculously, in context — persist in faith that a just God exists, and a judgment day IS coming, after some resurrections, if not before), and direct you the sites I link to here, such as NAFCJ.net or to encourage you to research the history of teh family courts in THIS country.

     ~~It sounds like neither you nor your husband are American (US) citizens, so I’m puzzled why your custody case was ruled on here. Was your child born here? Does someone have dual citizenship?

     ~~If you want me to look at some of the details of your case, for clues where help might be, say so in this comment, and I will email you off-line. What state did these things take place in? Women are starting to communicate on-line about these outrages as are (obviously) men.

     ~~In any court case, jurisdiction is a prime factor. Who has jurisdiction of your case (again, I’d expect that to be an off-line answer if you want to talk).

     ~~These injustices are going to take down the U.S. if something else doesn’t first, and relate to all citizens, not just the 50% or so who have divorced. It also applies to taxpayers who don’t even have children. The Bill of Rights either applies to all human beings, or some human beings are simply considered sub-human, and some federal policies have all but said that. There aren’t easy answers, and we each have to make decisions based on our own situations in the larger context.

     ~~ As to “WHO” is going to hold people accountable? The answer is NO ONE, if enough informed and committed people don’t start demanding it, and figuring out how to get it.

     Governor Paterson of New York is under fire for attempting to cover up domestic violence by an aide, and two of HIS top staff have quit in disgust over this, and over the dishonesty (at least not wanting to be associated with it in public). Governors and Congressmen (not to mention US Presidents) have all been caught cheating on their wives; we put up with this in leaders, but finally one wife didn’t — Governor Sanford. Governor Blagojevich of IL got ousted. We had a U.S. President resign in disgrace. Perhaps there IS hope for this country, if not for its judicial or educational systems. That hope resides in getting people off the sidelines and intelligently involved in their communities and in whether a relative, neighbor, or colleague is being assaulted at home, or has just had a parent abduct a child.

     Enough soapbox for today….
     By the way, I suggest you spellcheck sometimes (i should too, I know).

     

     LetsGetHonest

     March 9, 2010 at 11:27 am

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2. In reply to your request over any woman who have recovered their children under CPC 278.5, my mother recovered us after a three year, two month and 25 day search. We were the first successful case to be recovered and result in a conviction across state lines. I did not get involved in parental child abduction until our 25th anniversary of our kidnapping. I did not want to but given the nature of this crime now days I had to. I do believe that his total incarceration of only three months was a joke and only allowed my abductor to develop bragging rights and a sense of empowerment. Please feel free to contact me.

   Ken

   

   Ken Connely

   April 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm

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   • Ken –I’m curious why your last name doesn’t match the spelling on your site. BUT, after seeing the site, I’m going to post a page from it; hope that’s OK. I don’t have access to YouTube right now, but readers should know he’s talked about his experience ON youtube. ….

     I will have to wait & see in my own kids’ case how they will view this later, but I have met several people who were abducted (less than 3 years or more) as adults or young adults. Losing my kids tore my life in half, and I know it did theirs, in context. This should not happen.

     As I say above, there’s either a punish-the-ex motive, or a financial motive, generally. ALSO, there might be a protective (genuinely protective) or trying to CLAIM it’s for protection, i.e. “I’m abducting you to protect you” but actually doing it for unrestricted access by a child-molester or other purposes) motive.

     When I separated, I did it the legally way and never was so cruel as to completely cut off contact. This was not true many years later….and it happened in a context when i was growing independent and beginning to insist on boundaries, i.e., as stated in those court orders. I felt it was the mature thing to do and it was, and would’ve sufficed, had there been as mature individuals in the context, including in the courts at the time.

     On-lookers unfamiliar with the cases can’t always tell which is which, and any policy which can’t tell the difference is not going to be a fair one.

     I cannot tell you how much it hurt me to see press coverage — in my area, where I tried to stop this! — about mothers who kidnap, interviewing only the father.

     Ken has written a book about his experiences and has a website and youtubes speaking about it also.

     My time for this will come, but isn’t yet, as our situation is still too volatile and not entirely safe.

     

     familycourtmatters

     April 6, 2010 at 11:50 am

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   A Child Survivor of Child Abduction, incl. re: Parental Alienation « Let'sGetHonestBlog

   April 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm

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4. I know this is an old post but I am in a difficult situation in CA that involves 2 counties and I have fled from DV. I have done everything by the law from “GOOD Cause”, reporting DV, dealing with dfs, dv shelter, TRO, cps, DA’S and more yet I am in uncharted waters it seems because his lawyer (I didn’t have one) turned the TRO hearing into a child custody issue that became a 3 ring circus. Even the 2 DA advocates were blown away that I lost. Between proof and testimony I am left unprotected as is my child.. my child alone never wants to see the father. My child has been dragged through court with disregard to my child’s mental well being. Currently we reside in 1 county while he in another that we fled from. He has filed dissolution of marriage attaching custody with it. No law enforcement, lawyer, da, cps, or anyone else can tell me what my rights are or help us. It is beyond ridiculous. Most of our dv consisted of massive emotional, psychological, and verbal abuse that I cannot believe we survived. But now I understand why it took so many years to get out, why I am bordering on the wrong side of the law now, and why so many women either go back or submit to custody (shared or visitation) when they know it is WRONG, HARMFUL and DETRIMENTAL to their child’s well being let alone mine or my other child that has become just like his father including abusing me just as bad because I didn’t get out in time (he was 18 when I left). Because….The law is so polluted, left to interpretation, to individuals whether a single law enforcement officer or a judge to decide when little understanding or education gives them the right or ability to do what is right and just.. Instead like in my case, a judge 1 of just 2 here dealing in family law wanted tons of witnesses, proof was not enough, how credibility was determined was flawed, and yet he could see that i was severely uncomfortable and had difficulties even functioning being near my abuser. This kind of dv is so dibilitating that many don’t talk about it nor understand it. It is often an intricate web of multiple tactics used to control and manipulate, cause fear and destroy self esteem so that there is no hope or thought of escape. So impossible to comprehend and often hidden when in public that unless you are a dv survivor, you cannot relate. It is just that unbelievable…but real. Furthermore, each case is so different unlike a black eye that those abused rarely get justice hence these abused individuals turn around and stab 50 times their abuser, commit suicide, go crazy, or “abduct” their child(ren).
   I have developed depression of late, afraid to seek help for fear it will be used against me yet the whole ordeal has brought it on. O

   

   Re

   October 21, 2014 at 10:14 pm

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   • I see a good expression of how you were affected by all this. The last few lines concern me, and I hope, pray and trust that you as a mother would not do any of the above, as I know I didn’t. For some reason I wasn’t tempted to, there were enough crazy people and behaviors in the situation, every year. I also have been changed by the long-term experience, losing both children and the ability to work in a profession I loved, and with standing clients for it, which was My livelihood and in a very real way THEIR ticket to college scholarships. My oldest daughter texts she was just accepted (after years apart from me) from a very reputable research university in a field (Graduate level research), and the younger one’s phone is currently cut off and as best I can tell, has spent considerable time homeless although to her credit, she DID get away from this region. I am encouraged that the other daughter also now will (both in their early 20s) and it remains for ME to get away from the toxic relatives. Right now my concern is less with the father than my side of the family. I thought we had two good parents growing up, but one does have to ask “what happened?” As I live in California, and they have for years before me, perhaps “it’s just in the water” may be part of the reality.

     This comment is old and the post is older (pushing 5 years). If whoever made it is still around, reading some of the explanations WHY may not change the situation, but it will explain it. I have recently been able to explain (in person) to a non-parent, NORMAL person, some of the material, and I think he’s become an activist and says will never look at a nonprofit (charity) the same way. I showed the tax returns. The money moves around, and if people are let to handle their own business properly, and laws were respected (and not in conflict with each other, as family law has attempted to usurp “domestic violence” subject matter, which makes an EASY case-dump for law enforcement (at least in my area, and case, certainly) there is a LOGIC to the system which of itself diffuses some of the craziness. It IS being done for profit and because some people are simply sociopaths (cold-hearted) and want the money (ethically, unethically, whatever), and others, dissociative (probably describes mainstream, as you indicated) and yet others, REALLY concerned, but don’t know what to do where, not understanding how it’s assembled (it’s taken me a while to comprehend, and a lot of work, too). Others, some of the advocacy groups, seem to be making progress in certain areas, but on closer examination are playing the rigged game, knowing where it’s rigged, and calling that “help.” I call that simply dishonest, and report on it, as I can.

     If you get this comment, please comment again and assure me you’re still around, haven’t gone to “the dark side” (criminal) and are doing what you can for physical and mental health, because you are a parent, and for yourself because you’re worth it. I’m no counselor, and have burnt up the 800, help lines under possibly similar situations (sounds like) in the past. I complied with court orders, and attempted to make it CLEAR that was my bottom line. RESULT? BOth kids taken overnight, with no legal or factual basis, and I was almost “put down” as a person, still resisting attempts to re-frame the situation as a character flaw on my part (what — not being able to stop abuse, after all those years? Showing up with it actually affecting me in some ways???). If i use the word “i” it’s labeled, but I am dealing with people whose every other sentence is “I, I’, I” and no significant detail to describe whatever it was they intended to label, name, defame, or say. Even to the courts. …. (It’s been a long day and week, and I am simply writing because I am…) This blog is still a resource, it’s a VOLUNTEER blog, and I have written it to at least defuse confusion, and at best, through major system change, based on actually seeing how that system works. There are already systems changes going on, systematic and deliberate, but not in the direction I think anyone who believes in INDIVIDUAL rights, would want to go. And if we have NO individual, enforceable rights outside a labeled, group membership, then we are not truly human in the highest sense. It requires SOME socializing (freely, not coerced, and not constantly moderated and mediated by some officious parent figure) but ALSO privacy, alone time, and independent action. ….. Read some Viktor Frankl if you can get your hands on it (The Meaning of Life). I know I did, and he went through a concentration camp, and declared, there is ALWAYS some degree of choice. So the thing is, to make the best ones at any point in time, and keep doing that. We were not physically designed to live without hope — it’s unhealthy. (Faith Hope, Charity — which last i’d call the gas in the tank when the first two seem in short supply. It’s probably what keeps me going day after day) ….

     

     Let's Get Honest

     February 24, 2015 at 9:13 pm

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5. My post was cut off but it is of no importance. My main concern is I am in danger of concealment for not allowing the father see the child. Yet every agency applauds me for what I’ve done ie. leaving for my child’s well being and mine, yet once out, there is no help because neither of us have physical injuries and because we got out. Now….If we stayed and something happened (it was escalating) then something would have been done. Yes, i would have been held accountable for NOT getting out! So I am dammed if I do and dammed if I didn’t. Leaving us in a precarious position as you stated, depending on a law enforcement officer or a single judge can put me in jail…delivering my child into the hands of her abuser regardless of all I have done to protect while staying within the law and keeping every single state agency apprised of our plight, what I am doing and until recenrly, where we are. Every minute if every day we live in fear. My child scans cars and faces to the point that my child flees and hides if she even sees one that resembles ours or him. This fear is what is detrimental, unhealthy, and unfair. I did not teach nor tell what to do. This is my child’s own response. Yet where are the agencies, non profits, dv advocates that scream to the world about dv and how to stop the cycle, about all the help available? Nowhere!! I’ve tried…no one seems to really have their act together and with the laws so confusing…no one will step up for fear of legal misinterpretation. He has already tried once to get me for abduction. This failed as I spoke to the detective, had an assault charge against him, and “Good cause” filed. Now I have nothing it seems but a bunch of useless police reports and other evidence that will not protect my child or myself from persecution of any kind. I am in state, child is in school, in touch with cps, DA’S, and others, but because I am keeping my child from the other parent…I could and may any day be arrested because of a ridiculous law that is poorly defined and left up to interpretation.

   

   Re

   October 21, 2014 at 10:36 pm

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   • My delay in publishing the comment, AS I RECALL (on quick glance) is not the comment itself but that I myself have been under intense pressure from upcoming court hearings affecting my safety, and immediate and long-term future. Not that it’s new, but this is really developing into some mean-spirited behavior AFTER all the family court behavior, and using what appear to be some similar tactics. I’m still dealing with it, as we speak,and yes, it does over the years wear one down. I’m approving the comment (scanned it) sorry for the delay. I do also want to note, it’s more helpful to readers if there is some detail they can hang onto, objective (if it’s safe to reveal) or apply later. There’s also a place for expression and I know I’ve written sometimes like this also. I do remember the generic context, and wish you well.

     

     Let's Get Honest

     February 24, 2015 at 7:39 pm

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6. To recent commenter “RE” — may I ask, which two counties?

   

   Let's Get Honest

   February 24, 2015 at 9:15 pm

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   • I am not sure my post got through. I will be watching. I’ve copied it so I may repost if needed.
     I hope you are well and safe.

     

     lemontasticlife

     June 5, 2017 at 11:29 am

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     • See last comments (added to this post). I hadn’t seen the submit, and corrected both that one and this one, today, 8/10/2017. It’s not an excuse, but working on this blog, diligently esp. in 2016-2017 (after a break in 2014 second-half through Jan. 2016), I tend to hyperfocus. Am also including a lot more annotated images which takes more time (both to make them and the layout once inserted), and looking at a wider ranger of topics. Both my children kidnapped (by father and girlfriend) just a few years before I started this blog, are now young adults; one has made a little more contact then the other (who it’s safe to say, remains estranged) over time. I’m still dealing with aftereffects as this affected prime working years and all working relationships (not to mention personal/social) in my own life. It sounds like you’ve gone through so much also. The post (comment) was well-written, and I’m sorry wasn’t approved timely. Pls. reply if you’re around to see this. I hate to see people go through hell for no good reason, and am still activist on getting these systems changed, and my own life out of the reach of the individuals who inflicted such harm over so many years (within the family). I am just not approaching the activism in the traditional manner. Please see table of contents (newer) and especially posts since 2016-2017. I DNR that we have talked off-line or privately under some other username, or previously on this post under some other username.

       Copying posts as you write them (I learned the hard way) is always a good idea. I keep a text file open for the purpose, but sometimes still get caught up writing and forget to do this before hitting “save.” Then a browser refresh may kick in (more common for mainline publications it seems). I don’t comment that much on others blogs, or journals as before, however, because I don’t think it’s the most effective way to communicate some of the more complex concepts I wish to be known. it’s more good for empathy, or links to other resources or perhaps searchable terms to shed light on the whole situation.

       I hate the hypocrisy of our country (agencies and major nonprofits within it, some of who get blogged here in) boasting about helping the status of women in other countries, or even in this one, when I know in depth how that works out, and how organizations, literally, censor information they have access to in order to “control the conversation.” They are never going to stop voluntarily; it’s up to the public to change the conversation, and refuse to have their on-line dialogues “framed” by information which could be as easily re-framed by opposing sides, instead of getting to hardline facts about systems ops. Hard facts of our own cases, as true as they are to us, and maybe documented also in the court paperwork (at least as the litigation having taken place) are not as easy to translate into causes the WHOLE public should get behind in their own interests. That’s why I keep taking it (more nowadays than before) not back to “the law” (which is self-contradictory from system to system, and besides that, so often not enforced even when it’s crystal clear, or a certain family court order is crystal-clear, which they aren’t always).. but to the financing of the various parts and where conflicts of interest are throughout, that needs to stop FIRST. That’s a tax matter. The paradigm shifting is continual, and we need to become aware how it happens, and how to talk back to where it’s inappropriate (which is, without informed consent, most of the time!). etc.

       

       Let's Get Honest

       August 10, 2017 at 6:23 pm
   • Hi this is Re – I know a few years have past. In all that I was going through, I couldn’t find my way back to you. I couldn’t access my email account for safety. It was my 3rd account created and somehow he had gotten in. I monitored, but could not open or respond to any emails. My post I screenshot thankfully. I can’t seem to post usin my original email so I am using another I have. Lol…safety. I was not in a good place when I posted previously. I was grasping at straws trying to find something to hold on to. How little help, laws, or info is out there to protect those that truly need it.

     I wanted to come back to see, no matter how much time had past if I ever received a reply. I couldn’t post too many details at the time without possibly endangering us or even for him just to see and use against me. He was a computer genius.
     I am glad you are safe. I am sorry you have had to go/going through all that you are. It sucks. Period. To rip your heart out would be less painful.
     We are safe and ok. So much has happened.
     You asked which two counties. They were Riverside and LA. Riverside was the family Court that majorly dropped the ball. Even the police at one point did.

     In the end with nowhere left to go while staying within the confines of the law, we returned to LA. I refused even with my family behind me, to flee the state. I knew I would lose in the end and my daughter’s life was too valuable. Psychologically damaging for us both returning, we still got through. It was a nightmare dealing with the court system and CPS. My abuser doing declaration after declaration to court to discredit me, to continue the abuse, and I saw no end in sight. I answered every declaration, stated the same thing with little to no emotion, made myself look reasonable even when I just wanted to do the opposite. He played every game he could, but G_d was on our side and did order minor’s counsel for my daughter and therapy.

     That counsel turned out to be a life saver. She stated in court clearly what she believed and saw and that there was no doubt that my daughter had witnessed and been subjected to major abuse. Yet the court was still determined that parental right trumped a child’s rights. My daughter was to do therapy and minor’s counsel, my daughter, and her therapist were to have the final say on custody. No psyche evaluation for her father, no therapy, no nothing. Fix the child enough to go back to their abuser. Wth? I knew there was a huge chance he’d get visitation or some kind of custody. California is notorious for putting parental rights before that of a child. I took the next step and called DCFS anonymously. I asked many questions. Explained what my daughter has said, how she feels, and what was happening in court. I was told that DCFS overrules Family court. No matter what custody was awarded, if DCFS disagrees, they will step in. All that needed to be done was for my daughter to tell DCFS exactly what she told me. That she was scared to death of him. That if put in a room with him she would kill him or runaway. That was all that was needed supposedly.

     I want to backtrack a moment to say that though I provided again ample evidence of domestic violence and requested temporary full custody or at least something that stated he had no rights and must refrain from interaction of any kind with my daughter, NOTHING was given. This was a volitile time. He was angry, stalking covertly, posting on FB things to discredit me and pictures of places he went. These places were where we lived, not him. The pictures were in front of stores we frequented and posted that he’s doing it for her. There was nothing I could have done if he chose to take her from school, show up and interact with her, or even keep her court ordered therapy private. HE HAD RIGHTS TO TAKE HER, TO KNOW EVERYTHING SHE DID!! Everything we left from, he basically could still do.

     A few months after that court hearing he was tragically killed. It devastated me. I wasn’t far enough into my healing to accept such a thing and I was still next of kin. My daughter on the other hand, cried 3 little tears, said well he was her father, looked at me and asked if she was mine now. I responded yes, but luv you belong to yourself, I am just your caretaker, your guide in life. She then said she was hungry and could she eat. That was it for her. She was safe and free of him…nothing else mattered. I did continue her therapy for over a year until the therapist told me that she compartmentilized and saw what was what. Not something children normally do. This made it so trauma wasn’t so damaging to her. She is doing great now and without her, we would have never gotten out. She’s my little hero.

     I did get help and I am still. The PTSD is quite bad. It doesn’t help that my son is back in our lives since his father’s death. He suffers from a type of Stockholm Syndrome. He cannot remember any of his childhood except from 6 month before I left till the present. That’s nearly 18 years missing for him. I am slowly working with him. Deep down he knows, he just can’t cope with the realization of who and what his father was. When he gets glimmers of the past, he remembers only the good. But psychologically he has triggers regularly which make him physically ill. Anxiety, vomiting etc. I am trying to get him to get help. I’m still in a constant state of disarray because I’m dealing with lawyers, DA’s, police, and in court nearly every month concerning the trial of one of my husband’s killers. It was a double hit and run, he was a pedestrian They were caught a month later as one was fleeing the country. Plenty of proof that they were drunk. Hoping once it is done, I can move forward…with a lot of trauma therapy.

     I found out so much more after he was killed. What he had in the works to win full custody. To prove me unfit, mentally ill, and discredit me. Part of it was he had hacked in my email, created a false FB account in my name, manage to link my bank account to FB, and get into my Google play. Large sums of money also disappeared so that he could claim he didn’t have money to pay any child or spousal support. That money still hasn’t been found. There was never a doubt that in the end it would come down to him or I. One would kill the other but for different reasons. He to win, me to stay alive.
     Thankfully G_d made the decision.

     

     lemontasticlife

     June 5, 2017 at 11:32 am

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