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A man shot a woman in the head (another day, another “dispute,” another death)

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Marlon King, 45, told his acquaintances that he was going to kill himself and the woman, said Officer Jeff Thomason, a police spokesman.
On Friday afternoon, a resident on the 2500 block of 67th Avenue in East Oakland, near the Eastmont Mall, got a text message from a neighbor in a nearby house that “a suicide was imminent” there, Thomason said.

Upon arriving at the house at 2:49 p.m., officers found King critically wounded and a 46-year-old woman dead. The Alameda County coroner identified her as Aprile Moore of Oakland.
Thomason said he did not have specifics on whether King was unemployed.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/23/BAE11BML80.DTL#ixzz0dTeS8RKY
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  • Man informed relatives, friends of intended murder-suicide
    By Harry Harris
    Oakland Tribune
    Posted: 01/23/2010 09:23:24 AM PST
    Updated: 01/23/2010 09:33:21 AM PST

OAKLAND — A man who fatally shot his girlfriend Friday afternoon then wounded himself was upset over losing his job earlier in the day and had called and texted friends and relatives about his intended actions, police said Saturday.

Police identified the dead woman as Aprile Moore, 46. In critical condition Saturday morning with a gunshot to the head was Marlon King, 45, who police said had been involved in a relationship with Moore at least three years.

{{WHY does this not read, “about three years” or “only three years”?  That’s a very short time to already have a domestic violence record with calls to police…}}Police said they were told King was separated from his wife.

{{Was the fact that he was violent towards his new girlfriend a “casual” or a “causal” factor in why he separated?  Does losing his wife give him the right to assault a new romance?  Did she get tired of his abuse, so he moved on?  We don’t know, do we….  Were there kids??}}

The shootings happened about 2:29 p.m. Friday at a house where King and Moore lived at in the 2500 block of 67th Avenue.
Sgt. Mike Gantt said King was depressed about losing his warehouse job at a Hayward company earlier Friday. It was not confirmed if he was fired or laid off.

{{Lose a job, shoot a woman??}}

Gantt said King had called and texted relatives and friends that he was planning to kill himself and possibly harm others.

{{So much for “relatives and friends,” including their ability to prevent DV homicide, know how to save a woman, convince her to flee, or what not.  It sounds to me like women have to get smarter somehow, and more discriminating about their men..}}But before police were summoned to the house Gantt said King fatally shot Moore in a bedroom before turning the gun on himself. Moore was pronounced dead at the scene.

{{Police cannot be everywhere, and it should be understood that they can’t always get somewhere in time.}}

Police also said the Moore and King had a history of domestic problems and that officers had been at the house several times in the past.\

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My Commentary:

**According to this account, Moore appears to have been a girlfriend he moved in with (or vice versa) in the process of leaving a former wife.  I wonder why his last wife was a “former” wife. …  His new, non-marital relationship had “domestic problems” ***  2nd (ff). WOMEN, WAKE UP!! 

{{I can’t speak for 2010, but I can speak for the 1990s.  Officers didn’t give me domestic violence literature, recommend I press charges, tell me I had anyRIGHT to press charges, or offer to take the man who’d just been assaulting me out of the house. Therefore, the assaults continued until I struggled my way to a nonprofit (I think) agency that told me how to file a CIVIL restraining order with kickout, which was not respected in court.  We were then funneled right to mediation, and the local friendly mediator promptly — VERY promptly — virtually undid said restraining order. . . . PERHAPS there was a better route to safety for all of us? Yet no pastor, friend, or relative was any smarter in the 1990s than they appear to be still, locally, in the 2000s. 

I guess women are just going to have to develop some smarts themselves, including being a LOT more careful about a man that has an ex-wife…  Sorry guys, but it makes sense to me… Perhaps they are just using you for (whatever is involved in a relationship}}

MORE on this incident:

OAKLAND, Calif. — An Oakland man who allegedly shot and killed a woman before turning the gun on himself is in critical condition Friday night, a police spokesman said.


Oakland police went to a home in the 2500 block of 67th Avenue at about 2:50 p.m. to conduct a welfare check after being called by a concerned neighbor, Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason said. The neighbor had received a text message from one of the home’s occupants, saying a “suicide was imminent,” Thomason said.

{{a man of his word, at least…}}

Officers found Marlon King, 45, and a 46-year-old woman both suffering gunshot wounds in a bedroom. The woman was pronounced dead at the scene and King was listed in critical condition at a local hospital, Thomason said.
Homicide investigators believed King shot and killed the woman before turning the gun on himself, according to Thomason, who said King had been depressed about his employment status. King had allegedly notified friends and family of his intentions to take his own life as well as that of the female victim, Thomason said.
He did not immediately release the relationship between King and the victim.
Anyone with information regarding the case was encouraged to call Oakland police homicide detectives at (510) 238-3821.

AND NOW YOU SEE WHY PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS STUFF.  IN SEARCHING FOR THE FOLLOW-UP, NATURALLY, I GOOGLED SOME KEY TERMS FROM THE PRINT EDITION.  AND GOT THE SAME STORY, NATIONWIDE, AS WE HAVE BEEN GETTING FOR A VERY LONG TIME:

{{note:  I am not going to take valuable internet time to straighten out these links:  a similar google on your part might call up similar results).

yet more of the same thing:
 
TORONTO, ATLANTA, PHILADELPHIA, OAKLAND, OKLAHOMA (Geary, OK) . . . . Can you keep track?
 
 
Woman dead, man in hospital after apparent murder/suicide attempt …

A woman is dead and a man is in a Toronto hospital after an apparent murder, then a suicide attempt yesterday afternoon. No names have been.
www.midlandfreepress.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e… – 3 hours ago – Cached

Man, woman dead in murder-suicide | ajc.com
Jan 4, 2010 … Two people are dead after an apparent murder-suicide Sunday night in southwest Atlanta. The incident began about 9:30 p.
www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/man-woman-dead-in-266343.html – Cached

KYW Newsradio 1060 Philadelphia – Woman Hospitalized After …
Jan 23, 2010 … Woman Hospitalized After Domestic Murder-Suicide Attempt. by KYW’s Al Novack. One person is dead and a second person is clinging to life …
www.kyw1060.com/…Woman…Murder-Suicide…/6180532 – 7 hours ago – Cached
 
Geary man dead, wife wounded in murder-suicide attempt | NewsOK.com
Jan 18, 2010 … GEARY — A Geary woman is in the hospital and her husband is dead in what investigators are calling a murder-suicide attempt.
newsok.com/geary…dead…murder-suicide-attempt/…/3432906?… – Cached

Man and Woman Dead From Murder-Suicide at 7-11

Identified Created by Kimberlee Sakamoto on 1/4/2010 7:26:00 AM …

 
 

 

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  1. As a blogger, obviously, I can see who is visiting my site. I notice that some keep coming back to this post, which dates 1-23-2010. We are now over a half year later. My learning has not remained static — has yours?

    For further information, please see Luzerne County, PA post (recent). Often the titles don’t reveal all that’s on this post. On that one, I detail some research (relating to what DIDN’t happen for some of the youth victimized by the Luzern County, PA racketeering judges) on the theme of 11th Amendment, and “absolute judicial immunity” for any really bad decisions a judge hands down. If we are to continue respecting the OFFICE of “judge” (though at this point, I’m “beginning to wonder why, my policy is to comply”) the safest policy is NOT to bring one’s cause in front of them if you are the one actually needing help, or justice. . . . . . In the Luzerne County post, I began to (finally) comprehend that in addition to ABSOLUTE JUDICIAL IMMUNITY (think, Catholicism, “ex cathedra” and how long it took to get to the priests that molested…), I saw how there is no MANDATORY ARREST policy that anyone has a right to demand enforcement on. The decision handed down on Castle Rock v. Gonzales from the U.S. Supreme Court (being appealed now to the IACHR, the International level, since US can’t figure out who is and who is not a real “person” — are Native Americans people? Are slaves people? Are women people? We finally got some votes through some amendments, slaves first, then women — and the backlash to the situation is a new category of person that are NOT, really, “people,” and that is biological mothers of children in any contested custody situation) and deserving of equal protection under the law)

    Anyhow, In Luzerne County, I read about the wife of a police officer who, after he was in a psychiatric hospital (re: his repeated violence towards his wife), things escalated, and in 1996-1998/9, she lived a nightmare (must’ve been for him too; he was getting reported) and he never did a night in jail. Always, his buddies covered for him. Finally, in the absolutely predictable murder/suicide attempt by this father of 3 and man in blue (or whatever color in that district), he failed to utterly murder her, although he succeeded in killing himself. She got a bullet hole in the chest.

    Naturally, she wanted some accountability. The incident happened almost right after several “protection from abuse” orders, which are about as helpful as a (pls. pardon the graphic analogy) condom open at both ends is at preventing pregnancy. They give the illusion of protection. So, she sues, and the decision, as handed down, narrates the details of WHY she (and another mother of 3, Jessica Gonzales Lenahan) cannot demand anything of the police even though the legislature clearly intended this to happen in writing the laws regarding mandatory arrest.

    Other sites are now beginning to confirm this — (“California Dreamin'”post). At the Appellate level, if someone has the nerves of steel to file when dealing with such situations — forget it.

    Which brings us to the next logical question: How come all the experts don’t mention this when issuing the next round of restraining orders to the next round of gullible people, primarily female?

    Potential Answers: 1. They don’t care; they are in the business of issuing restraining orders, and retaining nonprofit status may relate to continuing to do so. Potentially there is a headcount relationship between restraining orders issued and $$ to the organization.

    2. Speaking of which, see my post “Dubious Doings District Attorneys.” (all post names are approximate, even when they’re my own posts). We somehow think that one sector of humanity is honest, and other job descriptions are only achieved by people more noble, altruistic, and ethical than the bottom (i.e., NOT in these fields) sectors. Think again!

    3. Over and over again, I see how the very fine print of the law (and who, in a volatile and life-threatening situation is likely to be aware of this? Or, in the ongoing melodrama? it takes an exceedingly cool center and thinking to grasp these things) is going to understand the legal process, the appellate process, and the previous rulings on similar cases? There is likely up to zero chance that a victim of domestic violence — one of the characteristics of this type of control is isolation, sleep deprivation, and attempts to prevent them from engaging in unmonitored activities outside the home — is likely to understand all that? They are in survival mode, basically. Many sectors of our society LIVE in “survival mode,” and this has been said of the youth in Oakland, in particular (where this occurred, above). It’s a high-homicide city, vying with Richmond (last I heard) and no wonder.

    4. The other reason so few of the truths get out (despite lots of bloggers, who sometimes cancel each other out — men are more violent, women are more violent; it’s a criminal issue, it’s a psychological issue, it’s an economic issue and so forth. Combine these, and you get “therapeutic jurisprudence,” which could probably be likened to namecalling, by experts, with enforcement capacity. It’s normalizing what would otherwise be considered criminal behavior, and criminalizing (by applying appropriate psychological disorder label: “parental alienation”) those who report it.

    Extended one more level out, the system of “family law” itself essentially “criminalizes” families who fail to stay together by draining them of time and resources until one side gets all (including the kids) or both get constant conflict and the courts get their share. This is funded also by taxpayers (part of the purpose of my blog is to show when and where and how).

    Some topics are very hard, or too hard, to continually think about, but when they hit home, one has to. Moreover, when a society has delegated too much of its problem-solving to others than themselves, the society itself becomes dysfunctional. They get societal blind spots, and apparently are more comfortable with them, than seeing what’s up.

    For example, Jaycee Dugard — and her two growing daughters, conceived by rape by her kidnapper — in a back yard (which case was on the news again recently). The shock and dismay go so far (as to selling newsprint and air time) but then it’s back to mainstreaming these issues. . . . . .

    In responding to this post, then I wanted to point to the Luzerne County, California Dreaming posts for further insight.

    In addition, I am having an increasing skepticism, based in part on my own situation and others I have some familiarity with — about not only the spin, but the actual elemental facts of some of these murder-suicides. When the primary source of the news is the responding officers, who are the other witnesses of what really happened? Should we all duck our heads and just say, oh well, another one? …???

    In nature, there are predators and prey; there are grazers and carnivores. The grazers, who are not in the business of meat-eating, have eyes on both sides of their head, and staying alive — particularly around the edges of the herd, or when young are involved — need to stay alert, flinch, alert each other, and learn to run fast and jump. There are analogies even within one niche of nature (for example, African savannah. Or the ocean) of different types of behaviors and feeding patterns.

    Only humanity seems so highly structured that there ar plans to delegate the entire world, whether through religion, government, profession, or whatever means (economic is another) — into one or another of predator or prey, and to have ritualized human sacrifice and communal blind spots. We’re in it.

    What role are you playing??

    If this makes no sense, you are either in the middle of the flock, early on in the game, or probably one of the policymakers, or employed by them.

    Spreading fear of one’s neighbors (whether legitimate or not) will tend towards further and further centralization of power. As more and more functions are delegated to these authorities, less and less of humanity remains at the local level. Then you get things like recalling a BILLION eggs, professionalizing the Domestic Violence (and “fatherhood” fields, and other ridiculous situations.

    Good grief. ….

    Maybe look at the posts just before and after this one , the 7 lessons to unlearn (from school system) and the 7 principles of Scam Artists… …

    Some people may not have picked up this in the press, but Mr. Garrido (see above) had a real religious bent; he had a website full of his ramblings and this mind/body split apparently enabled his continuing abuse of his kidnapped victims.

    I have been experiencing, observing, and writing about some of these topics (though not on this blog) for many years; there are definitely organizational patterns emerging “in the field,” in addition to myself frequently repositioning my own thinking as to where I stand in relationship to them.

    The attempt to “figure it all out” is not really a good one. A wise king, long ago, (ostensibly) said:

    “I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.”

    (Ecclesiastes 9:11). This same supposedly so wise king wasn’t quite so wise when it came to women. He made a good call when two women were fighting over a single baby, but his own kingdom ended in disgrace and was divided within one generation. . . . .

    I most certainly don’t have all the answers, but one thing I do know — I don’t want to hang around with people who are sure they do, and want others to live by the same code, or else…

    Amen!

    August 23, 2010 at 12:49 pm

  2. Incomplete sentence (though a long one) above:

    “The other reason so few of the truths get out (despite lots of bloggers, who sometimes cancel each other out . . . ) those who report it.”

    goes like this:

    “the other reason so few of the truths get out . .. IS THAT those who report it are still IN it”

    Other than, some are getting gag orders regarding their own cases, some cannot state their personal details (which are more telling then generalities) because they have minor children whose safety — or their own safety — would be compromised. Or, the court case would be compromised. Women who are getting tired of this sometimes go overboard in blogging and I know at least one who has done jail time, or been threatened with it, for speaking about what happened in the hearing. As our society is supposedly more and more open, how funny that there are more and more places to box people up in.

    The issues then, are privacy (not compromising the situation through blogging), gagging (where courts in essence force privacy, which at this point is REALLY a violation of the First Amendment to such parents protesting judicial and other forms of abuse and malpractice), jailing a parent who flees with children, or who violates a court order while ignoring repeated contempts by the other parent (and his/her new partner, or relatives), in the same case (see Dombrowski & Richardson, in KS), or we simply can’t afford the time to get the reporting in decent format.

    Oh yes, then there’s PTSD in those reporting, which runs to longwinded writing like mine!. . . . .

    Will make a more concerted effort to avoid the Subject, elaborated upon by a long parenthetical phrase which ends up in a missing predicate. Grammar gets a little lost in the detail, too often.

    🙂

    Amen!

    August 23, 2010 at 1:10 pm


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